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Old 01-09-2010, 03:58 PM   #533
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The question remains - are the total dues worth the price paid?...

... For the same camper that rally's on occasion and/or is only willing to do weekenders and local meetings I believe the threshold for answering the above question as a NO is approaching swiftly. Again just my opinion.

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Especially true, since many people are busy working all the time, and it is difficult to get time off.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:06 PM   #534
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...I think we should all just cool our collective jets, kick back and watch Dave work his magic with the IBT. I am willing to kick in $50 towards gas to send him to IBT in crawfish country. That is like 100 miles of travel reimbursement. If one is going to work with the IBT, they should travel like them too...
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:57 PM   #535
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Frank,

Sometimes your humor just makes me laugh!

That “Dave $50.00”statement offer is “GOOD” entertainment. But, what could be far more entertaining, would be for Dave to actually go and speak. I’ll match your $50.00 bucks! Now we are at $100.00

Anyone else want in on this action?

In all honesty, Dave would be a good person to go and talk before them at the winter IBT.

Sorry Dave, but you would be.

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Old 01-09-2010, 06:00 PM   #536
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It may be time to end this thread.

It has become negative and less than civil. It is bordering on "conduct unbecoming and officer".

It would appear that this is a well followed thread with 548 posts. However, the initiator has posted 10% (54) of the total. 50% (275) of the posts have been contributed by only 13 people. And, only 94 people (in total) have posted. I don't have the time (or interest) to calculate the supporting vs the opposing views of the original poster, however it is fair to say that they all haven't been in support.

The truth is, this is going nowhere.

There are about 6000 members of the WBCCI. The leadership does need to respond to economic realities confronting the WBCCI, and hopefully they will figure that out. But, less than 100 people does not seems to represent the sentiment of the vast majority of the WBCCI.

I participated in many WBCC events with my parents from about 1955 until 1987 when my father died. We went on 5 Company sponsored Caravans and attended 18 International Rallies. I have only recently rejoined the WBCCI (2008) and I am not an officer of any Unit or Club.

Without the WBCCI, Airstream would become just another travel trailer, and your investment would plummet. Airstreams command higher the average prices because of the mystique. The Caravans and Rallies are part of that mystique.
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It may be time to end this thread.

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The truth is, this is going nowhere.......

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Same with NASCAR, but it is still fun to watch!
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:28 PM   #538
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It's an Airstream to me and while I like hearing some of the history most new buyers are not going to have the hushed reverence that some speak of. I don't think this is a negative thread. I think it is a very opinionated thread and that doesn't disturb me or have to "go" anywhere. Scroll up in the portal page and save yourself.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:37 PM   #539
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It may be time to end this thread.

It has become negative and less than civil. It is bordering on "conduct unbecoming and officer".

It would appear that this is a well followed thread with 548 posts. However, the initiator has posted 10% (54) of the total. 50% (275) of the posts have been contributed by only 13 people. And, only 94 people (in total) have posted. I don't have the time (or interest) to calculate the supporting vs the opposing views of the original poster, however it is fair to say that they all haven't been in support.

The truth is, this is going nowhere.

There are about 6000 members of the WBCCI. The leadership does need to respond to economic realities confronting the WBCCI, and hopefully they will figure that out. But, less than 100 people does not seems to represent the sentiment of the vast majority of the WBCCI.

I participated in many WBCC events with my parents from about 1955 until 1987 when my father died. We went on 5 Company sponsored Caravans and attended 18 International Rallies. I have only recently rejoined the WBCCI (2008) and I am not an officer of any Unit or Club.

Without the WBCCI, Airstream would become just another travel trailer, and your investment would plummet. Airstreams command higher the average prices because of the mystique. The Caravans and Rallies are part of that mystique.
Grand Master,

Sorry you don't care for the thread... you can always filter it out so you don't ever see it again.... counting all the times I've posted.. I don't have time for that.... but with over 30,000 views, I can tell you that people are interested, and you don't see the number of PMs by all the users that haven't posted.. I'm sure you've had fun with the WBCCI... you're missing the point.. I have had a ton of fun too!! it is not about that....This is about NOT SUPPORTING THE WAYS OF THE IBT...

Just because someone does not support your view, doesn't mean a thread is going no-where... and should be closed

Let's just go camping!!!

Dave - add another $50 to your trip!

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I didn't know I was in the army, much less an officer of anything.

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Gene,

Since he used "and" maybe he was talking about the IBT officers....

Conduct unbecoming AND officer in the IBT????

This thread nothing but civil.....maybe controversial, but civil still.

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Without the WBCCI, Airstream would become just another travel trailer, and your investment would plummet. Airstreams command higher the average prices because of the mystique. The Caravans and Rallies are part of that mystique.
That is sure counter to the numbers - WBCCI membership numbers going down, Airstream Trailers sales, steady or increasing depending on the economy. WBCCI could not live without Airstream, but Airstream surely could live without WBCCI. And, indeed, soon enough, it just might.

The officer statement really reminds me of the time Jim Franklin told my wife to "Stand Down" at the delegates meeting in Salem - nice! That is really not the way to reach this crowd. They have had enough of the militaristic style. Worked years ago - not anymore.
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Please, understand what “freedom of expression” and our First Amendment entails. Many here don’t agree with the posting: “It may be time to end this thread.” Freedom of expression has always been a burden to some, but what is the alternative?

By name and definition this forum is a public space for Airstream people to express opinions. Somewhat as it was at the Ancient Forum in Rome. Why not let any topic run its course, and end naturally after no one has any more to add? If we don’t like what is said we can let others know our point of view or leave the forum. No one should be allowed to limit civil discussions or topics on a 'free' forum.

Be thankful that AIRForums has moderators and not censors to maintain equality and freedom of expression. If anyone knows a better alternative forum, please let us know.
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Without the WBCCI, Airstream would become just another travel trailer, and your investment would plummet. Airstreams command higher the average prices because of the mystique. The Caravans and Rallies are part of that mystique.
I don't agree with this statement. How many people own an A/S? How many are WBCCI members? Most people know what an A/S is when they see one but have never heard of the WBCCI, caravans or rallies. Frankly I don't think the general public give a rat's rear end.

Face it, to most of the membership the WBCCI is merely a camping club. You don't neeed to be a member to go camping. This isn't Russia, where Party membership is mandatory. As far as I can see the problems are at the top. Increasing the dues, especially in economic hard times, to cover financial shortfalls brought about by what appear to me to be bad, self-serving decisions will kill it.

An A/S has it's own mystique; it's own cachet. The styling is timeless; the quality is obvious. It's value has nothing to do with the owner or the activities in which they engage.

I for one do not fear for losing my investment. My insurance carrier accepted my declared value of $10,000.00 on my 68 Caravel without comment or request for an appraisal, inspection or even a photo. What does that tell you?

This thread will end when interest wanes, people stop posting and it dies a natural death. No one, except a moderator/administrator has the power to kill it off.
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Without the WBCCI, Airstream would become just another travel trailer, and your investment would plummet. Airstreams command higher the average prices because of the mystique. The Caravans and Rallies are part of that mystique.

I find this interesting as when I purchased my Airstream I had never heard of the WBCCI. I was still willing to pay a premium for it because of the pervieved value to me. (If I had known of the WBCCI I might not have been willing to pay as much.)

I also think that it is interesting that a poster who is not a moderator is trying to close the tread. There are too many elistists in the world who know what is best for the rest of us.
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Old 01-10-2010, 03:04 PM   #546
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I've got lots and lots of the numbers 2, 8, and 0... I ordered for like 5 trailers....
Now you can have any number you like on the trailer. Of course that was always true you just didn't think about it. I'm putting the old 3 digit number on "The Bat Cave Express" when it warms up. As it happens I belong to a secret society which allows but does not reguire or even talk about having red numbers or blue if you like or whatever since it's a secret society and we keep it that way by everyone making their own rules which apply only to the person who makes em up in the first place....

PS: I've done some research on pototoe cannons. I'm movin on up to cantelopes, more interesting landing...
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