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Old 12-28-2009, 04:16 PM   #351
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If there were 6,600 members in 2009 at $55 each, that's membership income of $363,000. If 2010 results in 6,000 members (10% loss), that's membership income of $450,000, an increase of $87,000, an amount not to be realized until 2011.

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Last I counted, for 2010, $55 X 6000 = $340,000, a net loss of $23,000.
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:20 PM   #352
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I was surprised that age, health, and death of spouse were not larger numbers.
I would assume there are quite a few "age health and death of spouse" in the 900 that did not respond. They are hard points of reality for some to deal with.

If the units reported a member as none renewing would headquarters accept that and not include them in the mailing or does Headquarters still include them in the mailing. If they play games with the financial books who is to say they are not playing games here also
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:24 PM   #353
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A couple years ago I forgot to renew. Never heard anything from either HQ or my unit.
I was only notified when they went to process my early registration for the International which i had paid at the previous international. It was about this time of year or later when I was contacted.
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:42 PM   #354
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An unthought out idea

For the working from the outside for change group.

Develop a online petition page where formal members can list their former #, reason for leaving, and whether they would be willing to return if changes were made. Other options could certainly be added but you get the idea.

IF large numbers are leaving out of unhappiness related to management (and so far as I know there is no real data supporting this argument) AND are voicing a desire to return under changed circumstances such a listing would allow for: 1) establishing the extent of the unhappiness numerically, and 2) the calculation of a low ball number of how much the non-renewals are costing the club. It would only provide a low ball number due to self-reporting issues.

It seems to me that one thing that is needed at this point is good data as opposed to guesses. This approach, while imperfect, would be a step in that direction.

On edit: For extra leverage, start an account temporally holding the dues that would have been paid in. Think of it as a pseudo-escrow account. When former members register on the petition they could have the option of paying into this account. If a year goes by without changes, the money could be returned to the former member.
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:56 PM   #355
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I'm amazed that people that have bailed on the WBCCI STILL spend soooooo much of their time on the WBCCI....................
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I'm amazed that people that have bailed on the WBCCI STILL spend soooooo much of their time on the WBCCI....................
Assuming that one is wanting to see an eventual recovery of the club, a high level of interest in the club by former members is a good thing. It suggests to me that they may be willing to return at some future date if circumstances change.
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:15 PM   #357
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Last I counted, for 2010, $55 X 6000 = $340,000, a net loss of $23,000.
Sorry if I wasn't clear—I was using $75 dues for 2010 but really meant 2011. Obviously for 2010, your numbers are correct.

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Old 12-28-2009, 06:22 PM   #358
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people that have bailed on the WBCCI
keep thinking that Ed... the "anti member until change" campaign has only begun! It's the club's leadership, or lack thereof, that has bailed on its members....
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Assuming that one is wanting to see an eventual recovery of the club, a high level of interest in the club by former members is a good thing. It suggests to me that they may be willing to return at some future date if circumstances change.

I don't see it that way at all. I see it as a way to slam the WBCCI from the outside. The only interest I see is a continued need to keep slamming without being willing to put forth the energy to make changes from the inside.

Bailed, that’s what I see and a need to be seen doing it. I have more respect for those that go their own way without all the advertisement. Just my 2 cents, most likely not worth the 2 cents to most.
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:27 PM   #360
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Sorry if I wasn't clear—I was using $75 dues for 2010 but really meant 2011. Obviously for 2010, your numbers are correct.

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for 2011, and $75, use a realistic number of 5000 then..... raising it only to $375k.....
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:32 PM   #361
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I don't see it at all. The only interest I see is a continued need to keep slamming without being willing to put forth the energy to make changes from the inside.

Bailed, that’s what I see and a need to be seen doing it. I have more respect for those that go their own way without all the advertisement. Just my 2 cents, most likely not worth the 2 cents to most.
So Ed, You don't see it. That is fine. How have you brought about change from within the club? My observations of you is status quo.
My 2 cents are worth something. Because they are in my pocket and not paying for a business meeting for people who could care less about me or what I want to get out of a club. In a few weeks when the real numbers come out and slap your past president privilege into reality you just might be talking a different story. Just hold your breath a little longer for the Mid Winter IBT's are right around the corner. Reality is coming and it won't be very pretty. For the next three days I am a member. My number currently is #7183. As of the first of Jan my member number is I262T123. Up until the first I can say anything I want about the WBCCI. After that date I will say nothing. In the end I think you still will not get it. Just my other 2 cents.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:53 PM   #362
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So Ed, You don't see it. That is fine. How have you brought about change from within the club? My observations of you is status quo.
My 2 cents are worth something. Because they are in my pocket and not paying for a business meeting for people who could care less about me or what I want to get out of a club. In a few weeks when the real numbers come out and slap your past president privilege into reality you just might be talking a different story. Just hold your breath a little longer for the Mid Winter IBT's are right around the corner. Reality is coming and it won't be very pretty. For the next three days I am a member. My number currently is #7183. As of the first of Jan my member number is I262T123. Up until the first I can say anything I want about the WBCCI. After that date I will say nothing. In the end I think you still will not get it. Just my other 2 cents.


Again ADVERTISEMENT!
I agree it won't be pretty. But status quo? I don’t think so. I’m hosting a rally, building a caravan, challenging my Region officers, and it goes on and on, I’m on the inside working for a better WBCCI, I’m not bailing and advertising it. BUT I have been through a hell of a lot more than grass vs. pavement or Happy Hour treats. Now that's deep......

Cool number, not sure what it is all about, I'm going with tradition.

Oh ya thanks for reminding me that I'm a past President, sort of forgot about that.

Can't wait for 1-1-10 then all the ADVERTISEMENT will end. (God I hope it will end but betting it will go on and on and on and on………………………)
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Sorry Ed

Have to say Ed, I've just gotten started.... this whole WBCCI IBT problem and how to change it - that it cannot be changed from the inside and all you guys with experience know it (bang head on wall).. so, I'll be here ADVERTISING that I bailed way after 1 Jan.... and accoring to you, wasting my time, reading your replies while you are obviously wasting your time reading..... funny isn't it.. my cause is more than about Bailing... it's about telling the IBT who only takes advantage of its members that they aren't doing that with me anymore.

Come Winter IBT, when they up the dues to $75, and project the clubs losses... I can't wait to hear about your changes that they won't vote on or listen to anyway.

With your Resume in an above post - are you running for one of those paying IBT positions? No wonder you're staying on!

and yes, a Past President too - whatever that gets ya!

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Nope, not going to add anymore to your cause.....................
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