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Old 12-27-2009, 09:38 PM   #337
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If you guys do a rally near Makanda, Cobden, Cape Girardeu and it is in June let me know. I would like to try to make it and experience the event. I would have to be a guest because I am not a member. There is a rally in the spring down here but I will be fishing that weekend down in the okeefenokee swamp. Me and the gators.

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This year, the Southern Illinois Unit will be having its Children and Grandchildren Rally at the DuQuoin State Fairgrounds:

Jun 4-6 – Children/Grandchildren Rally,
DuQuoin St. Fairgrounds, Gate 3, DuQuoin, IL

The details regarding registration and activities hasn't been published yet, but if my memory is correct this is a very informal rally with the main activities targeted at the children and grandchildren.

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Old 12-27-2009, 10:01 PM   #338
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I'd like to see a forums caravan like Wally did it Like minded folks traveling together.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:40 PM   #339
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I suspect that he means like-minded in 2009 terms not 1950 terms. The world has moved on. So should we.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:43 PM   #340
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Kevin:

That is a real possiblity. My kids are all adults and dating. No wedding bell rumors yet. As far as kids and grandkids go I will be the kid of this family.

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"likeminded" - Define.
like–mind·ed
Pronunciation: \ˈlīk-ˈmīn-dəd\
Function: adjective
: having a like disposition or purpose : of the same mind or habit of thought
— like–mind·ed·ly adverb
— like–mind·ed·ness noun


Dale,

I have heard the WBCCI Caravans of today compared to Tour Company trips... correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt the early Caravans were trips in which for a large fee, the tour company met your every need. I'm sure there are many members of today who appreciate this sort of carefree trip... but there are also many members who are drawn to the club by the rugged individualistic nature of what we see in the early caravaners.
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:36 AM   #342
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Greetings Brian!



This year, the Southern Illinois Unit will be having its Children and Grandchildren Rally at the DuQuoin State Fairgrounds:

Jun 4-6 – Children/Grandchildren Rally,
DuQuoin St. Fairgrounds, Gate 3, DuQuoin, IL

The details regarding registration and activities hasn't been published yet, but if my memory is correct this is a very informal rally with the main activities targeted at the children and grandchildren.

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Kevin- I know I have said it before and I still mean it, the club survives and is grat because of the local units. My Daughter Sara (15) held her first rally this past July, Kids Karnival. Everyone, adults, kids and Grandparents had a fantastic weekend. Everyone brought a carnival game and set it up at their trailer, handed out reffle tickets for everyone who played the game and then placed the tickets in a Chinese Raffle. That iw what WBCCI is all aout.
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:54 AM   #343
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The kids are the future. Environmental education is what they all need. Studies have shown that there is a link between ADD and ADHD with lack of outside environmental activities. Get the kids involved. If it can be made cool for the Teens the club will grow and become better.



Ha Ha. Do a teen caravan to the Boonaroo festival in Manchester Tn. They would be hooked for life.

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Old 12-28-2009, 10:17 AM   #344
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Include or exclude?

Part of the debate is about inclusion vs. exclusion. Thus the posts about what trailers to include or exclude. The Forum is more about inclusion—anyone interested in an Airstream or a similar trailer is included. The members and guests do the voting by joining or lurking ("lurking" is defined in an positive manner). Joining the Forum only requires registration; lurking only requires access to a computer. The WBCCI has rules about who can join or participate in their rallies—some of those rules are enforced and some are not by individual units. Therefore the WBCCI excludes. The WBCCI Forum, according to numerous reports, excludes those who disagree with the organization's official line.

We have camped with friends who have other types of RV's and we had a good time. We went to a WBCCI rally as a guest and had a good time too. I have participated in the Forum for more than 2 years—not sure it's always a good time, but it's sometimes fun, sometimes not. It is always educational.

The communications revolution is inclusive so long as you have computer access or a friend who does. Thus, I think a future club organized with the help of the Forum is going to be inclusive regardless of anyone's individual intent. Thus my previous post limiting participation to Airstream like trailers is now rendered invalid and a product of a developing thought.

The Good Sam club is based not on a communications revolution, but on RV ownership. It offers economic benefits (discounts, insurance) and rallies. It is a marketing based venture. It is somewhat inclusive if judged by membership since it makes little sense to be a member unless you have an RV. The Forum was created through a communications revolution and an interest in Airstream like products. It could be considered more exclusive than the Good Sam company in regard to that interest factor, but more inclusive in other regards.

Humans have always excluded those who appear or act different, but the internet levels some of that. One of the things we have learned from living in a small town is that you have to get along with very different people and work together to get things done. That is not easy. A lot of oldtimers judge you by whether your grandfather is buried here. That is intrinsically unfair, but to them is an essential measure of character. The Forum, on the other hand, teaches that you can develop friendships with people who are very different but share an interest in Airstreams and express themselves in a manner you like. No one knows where your grandparents are buried and no one cares. Some people exclude themselves by breaking the community rules. There's no doubt Forum members fall into groups according to what they post about and how they do it. It's self-exclusion from the greater community. But it's also very fluid and over time you can learn to appreciate members who at first turned you off. So there's a lot of learning how to be inclusive here.

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2009 coming to a close!

Wow - over 20,000 views in a little over a week..

Well, the year 2009 is almost over... I wonder what the 2010 numbers are for the WBCCI - how many did or did not re-new. If alot did not re-new, then the poor IBT are worse off starting in 2010 than even they anticipated. Patiently waiting to hear - I guess the Mid-winter meeting is where we'll find out... I'm betting it's not pretty! Anyone put a Mountain Dew on it? Lower or higher? I choose lower, alot lower!

A toast to those that did not re-new... Remember, you've got a few more days to vote with your pocket book and cancel and get your 2010 dues back!
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Here are some numbers

From a letter from Cindy Reed at WBCCI headquarters:

Each year headquarters sends out a letter to all members who have not paid their dues. This letter also includes a request that the member let us know why they did not renew. Following is the response received this year:
Letters mailed to 1,140 members
Received 239 responses (21%)
59 renewed
69 Airstream sold
20 Age or health
8 Death of spouse
4 Unhappy with club
1 Will rejoin later
3 No comment
13 Lifestyle, economy, time
8 No notice from unit
18 Pd unit; not sent to headquarters
36 Mail returned


I was surprised that age, health, and death of spouse were not larger numbers. Looks like WBCCI is definitely below the 6000 mark since it was previously at about 6600 if I recall correctly. I'm guessing most unhappy folks simply deep sixed the letter.
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With 20,000 views there is some interest to the tune of about 500 or so a day. With current membership of 6500 or so, it is that number that makes a difference versus the views on this thread.

If there is a smaller membership for 2010 by say 10 percent or more, there may be a heads up at the top. If less than that I am willing to say the powers to be will chalk that loss up to the current market and state of affairs.

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Interesting numbers Pahaska. That means the 1140 letters had a 6.75% positive response (renewals to hdqrs or units). Let's say the letters postal cost (501.60) plus staff time and cost of duplicating letters, cost 60¢ each, that's a cost for 77 renewals of $684 for $4,235 in dues of $55. But the WBCCI probably gets a reduced postal rate, so these are just estimates. Since mailings get low response no matter what is offered, this is not all that unusual unless you are getting few new members. Some other interesting numbers would be new members in 2009 and new members in 2008 who didn't renew.

If there were 6,600 members in 2009 at $55 each, that's membership income of $363,000. If 2010 results in 6,000 members (10% loss), that's membership income of $450,000, an increase of $87,000, an amount not to be realized until 2011. But even if realized immediately, it would cover only about 62% of 2009 losses. But it wouldn't be collected until 2011 and then only if the proposed dues increase is passed. How can such an organization ever catch up?

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Keep banging your head Leo

Ya know what - my headache is gone! Keep banging your head Leo... when NY Metro defects (which I love that idea), or you're booted from the club you fight so much for (I don't get that).... your headache will be over too...

You should tow up to Canada as I hear they have better aspirin up there... perhaps you can get a supply at the Region 2 rally this year.

Let's see.. Metro NY had 100% give money to continue to support the IBT, but many want to defect? Interesting logic there... hmmm.... keep on supporting their habits is all I say - NOT!

And I disagree, even 1 member that doesn't renew hurts them right where they need to hurt.. and they WILL pay attention.. I know I would if I was the PRES! The fact a member isn't noticed is another reason I stopped supporting their cause.

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From a letter from Cindy Reed at WBCCI headquarters:

Each year headquarters sends out a letter to all members who have not paid their dues. This letter also includes a request that the member let us know why they did not renew. Following is the response received this year:
Letters mailed to 1,140 members
Received 239 responses (21%)
59 renewed
69 Airstream sold
20 Age or health
8 Death of spouse
4 Unhappy with club
1 Will rejoin later
3 No comment
13 Lifestyle, economy, time
8 No notice from unit
18 Pd unit; not sent to headquarters
36 Mail returned


I was surprised that age, health, and death of spouse were not larger numbers. Looks like WBCCI is definitely below the 6000 mark since it was previously at about 6600 if I recall correctly. I'm guessing most unhappy folks simply deep sixed the letter.
Look at the numbers. About 80% didnt respond. Of the 1,140 non-renewals, only 0.35% reported unhappiness, although the number goes up to a whopping 1.7% if you only use responders to calculate the rate of unhappy members. Frankly, this sort of data is next to worthless since it is based on willingness of uninterested peoples to respond. The data simply does not present a representative sample, hence, no conclusions can be drawn beyond the individual responses. As group data, it is of no use whatsoever.

That aside, suppose that those departing did respond and sent in a note explaining what their complaints were. Then there would be no ambiguity in the state of affairs. Bottom line: if you want to send a message by not renewing- then literally send them a message.
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