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Old 01-19-2007, 07:28 PM   #1
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Four Winds Airstream MH passed at IBT

Thought you'd like to see part of a email from one of the WDCU members that has been at IBT. Thank you Carol for the info.


"The motion to put before the delegates to allow any Thor Four Winds Class A motorhome badged as a special Airstream edition into the club. Rationale said into the Airstream RV Owners Association, intentionally." It PASSED!!!!!
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Old 01-19-2007, 09:54 PM   #2
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I find this unreal. Hummm. So if one of the Four Winds motorhomes from below shows up at our park asking for a WBCCI discount, should we tell them to stick it?

A couple of Four Winds Class As (see Four Winds International):




Ah, such beautiful rigs!


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Old 01-19-2007, 11:40 PM   #3
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I guess the thing is the people who buy those rigs are for all intents and purposes buying an Airstream. It's what the manufacturer who makes the ultimate decision has determined they are. So they are good people who are buying an Airstream in their minds and they are going to be extremely disappointed if other Airstrreamers treat them poorly. It's a tough call - they don't look like what we all understand an Airstream should look like, but they are legally Airstreams. Quite an interesting situation. Do you turn away enthusiastic campers who have bought into the Airstream dream and just happen to get one that doesn't fill our personal vision of what an Airstream is? I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make that determination.

It is disappointing though to see that the trend is going this way, but if this is what it takes for Thor to survive in an extremely competitive business ......


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If that's an Airstream then I'll bring this to international......
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:46 AM   #5
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If that's an Airstream then I'll bring this to international......
I wanna have some fun, fellowship and adventure with you cowboy!
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Old 01-20-2007, 05:24 AM   #6
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I guess the thing is the people who buy those rigs are for all intents and purposes buying an Airstream. It's what the manufacturer who makes the ultimate decision has determined they are. ...
Well... Not exactly.
From the late 1800's through the late 1900's, Schwinn made some very high quality bikes. In particular their Paramounts were as good as anything else made. Even their low end bikes were astonishingly durable.
The name "Schwinn" is now owned by Pacific Cycle (based in Wisconsin) and they source some so-so junk from the China Bike Corp and sell it at X-mart.

Is it a Schwinn? Legally, yes.
The same sort of thing happenned to Raleigh in the US in the early 1980's. The rights to use the name Raleigh were sold to (gag) Huffy and nevermore could you get a Nottingham-built proper English bicycle on these shores. Of course Raleigh itself eventually demolished their Nottingham facility and now sources bikes from China Bike Corp (and other places), although they lean toward higher quality than the modern Schwinns.

Just slapping a label on something, even though you may be legally entitled to do so, doesn't make it less of a farce.

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Old 01-20-2007, 05:27 AM   #7
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Why not?

Actually, you could rivet a misspelled label, say "ErrSteam" on it and tow a Bambi or something with it. Unhook the Bambi et Voila you're all set!
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They all look a like

To me, much like an SOB, all MH's look a like to me. I can't tell one from the other. In fact, I'll go as far to say, "They could stick one on the field in the "Prez" row without even the "Airstream badge" and I would never notice the difference". They just all look a like no matter what badge you put on it. For you WBCCI members, just get ready for the voting. I will be interested to see how votes they will get for the motion. I will say here and now, "It will be more than you think!" The MH owners, will start twisting the arms of their friends that still own trailers who would be moving into a MH in the next couple of years saying, "If you don't vote this in now, when you decide to get a MH, you won't be allowed in the club!" You just wait and see. As I tell my wife, "I may not always be right, but I'm seldom wrong".
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It is disappointing though to see that the trend is going this way, but if this is what it takes for Thor to survive in an extremely competitive business ......

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If you're saying that in order for Thor to survive in a competitive RV market they need to put the Airstream name on more of their motorhomes so that the buyers can join WBCCI, that just sounds like nonsense to me.

Thor is doing just fine, in fact they're ahead of other RV makers in the currently rising multi-billion dollar business. One of the reason they're ahead is because Airstream is still building it's classic trailer which appeals most to the up and coming younger, higher income, more highly educated group of RV buyers (from a recent survey done by Airstream.) Motorhome sales are lagging in comparison to travel trailer sales, not because they don't have the "Airstream" name on them but because the younger group doesn't need or want a gas-hogging motorhome and many of the older folks who might want one can't afford one. Putting the Airstream name onto a Thor motorhome doesn't benefit Thor, or WBCCI. It just dilutes the Airstream name and is a slap-in-the-face insult to the buyers and owners of the classic Airstream.

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One more nail in the nearly sealed coffin......it never shocks me to the level of stupidity and self serving actions the current regime can do.

Best of luck to you all. I know that the majority that responded here on this forum didn't want this, and I'm thinking that it is reasonable to assume that a majority of the membership, to some degree also didn't want to see this happen. It's a sad day indeed for an Airstream only club allowing rebadged SOBs into "the club". I think Wally is turning in his grave right now......
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This has very little to do with WBCCi, and alot to do with Thor deciding to slap the Airstream brand to other motorhomes.

Airstream proved that they weren't able to make a quality class A. Other Thor entities, like Four Winds, do make a profitable and quality MH. So Thor management wanted to close down the Airstream MH operation and give it to Four Winds. Survival of the fittest.

The Airstream name still has some pulling power, especially for the "trade-up" market. So, slap the Airstream name on a Four Winds Motorhome to capture that segment of the market.

Thor isn't going to make specially badged Airstream MHs just for the WBCCI leadership. They will sell them to anyone. The WBCCi is just along for the ride, a victim of a corporate decison to stop letting a trailer shop try to make and sell a bus.
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This has very little to do with WBCCi, and alot to do with Thor deciding to slap the Airstream brand to other motorhomes.
I'm really curious about this. When did Thor make this decision? I've only seen the WBCCI side it -- WBCCI leaders working with Airstream Co./Thor to make special badging for the club's benefit. Did Thor or Airstream make any announcements when they stopped making motorhomes that they would put their name on another brand?

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OK, but you better paint it silver first! Shouldn't take more than 5 of 6 cases of Krylon spray paint.
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Well, I've read enough. All you nay-sayers, hand-wringers, and muck-rakers...

My wife said it best, "It used to be an elite club, now it's just not special anymore."

So its time for us all to put on our big girl panties and just deal with it.

Hear! Hear!
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