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Old 01-21-2007, 07:39 PM   #57
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why did it take so long to get gosys in?
because they were 'painted' and carried a different name...

the last 25 years of the 'club' has had lots of issues like this...

exclusive meant excluding...

while i agree with muddy hollow thor can label any brand/model any way they choose...

the issue IS a club for airstream owners that has a tradition of excluding genuine airstream products,

now has a group of officers that want to re-label a non airstream product...

JUST so they can retain power and position in a club that is sinking....

?when do the rats jump over board from a sinking ship?

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Old 01-21-2007, 07:39 PM   #58
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why did it take so long to get gosys in?
I was not a member at the time, but from what I understand the membership or IBT did not think that Argosys were "Airstream" enough since they were painted. Similiar issue with motorhomes, except that they were not trailers and this was a trailer only club. Personally, I think that the square box motorhomes should have never been allowed, since when someone thinks of an Airstream they think of the aluminum rounded shape. I cannot tell that a square box motorhome is an Airstream until I get close enough to read the label, I can identify the rounded trailers (both Airstream and Argosy) and classic motorhomes from a distance. It is easy to locate the classic shape at at campground not so with the square box.

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Old 01-21-2007, 07:44 PM   #59
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It is easy to locate the classic shape at at campground not so with the square box.Bill
hi bill how ya doing?

so are u a member of the 'classic caravan club' as well as vac?

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Old 01-21-2007, 07:52 PM   #60
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hi bill how ya doing?

so are u a member of the 'classic caravan club' as well as vac?

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2air,

No I am not a member, the information I can locate on them is old, most of their events seem to be in Florida and I am on the other side of the country.

But I do wonder what would happen if a square box or B-van showed up at one of their rallies.

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because they were 'painted' and carried a different name...

the last 25 years of the 'club' has had lots of issues like this...

exclusive meant excluding...

while i agree with muddy hollow thor can label any brand/model any way they choose...

the issue IS a club for airstream owners that has a tradition of excluding genuine airstream products,

now has a group of officers that want to re-label a non airstream product...

JUST so they can retain power and position in a club that is sinking....

?when do the rats jump over board from a sinking ship?

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I ask you 2air: What's an Argosy owner to do?
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:55 PM   #62
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I ask you 2air: What's an Argosy owner to do?
I am not 2air, but I would say "anything that you want". I believe that Argosys are as true to the concept as the silver trailers and classic motorhomes.

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I believe that Argosys are as true to the concept as the silver trailers and classic motorhomes.Bill
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:14 PM   #64
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Word to yer mutha!

I think your response, however, is just a little too glib.

As an Argosy owner with an inferiority complex I genuinely feel a little conflicted here. But make no mistake, I feel strongly that the IBT has no interest in the great unwashed masses here.
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The bottom line is that Thor owns the airstream brand and the WBCCI does not. As I said before, if people don't like how the current stewards tend to the brand they need to take it up via a the route of a share holder.
No but WBCCI is and AIRSTREAM CLUB and the bylaws state that you must own an AIRSTREAM MANUFACTURED product to be a member. No one is asking Thor to do anything.

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So to satisfy your argument, Thor must invest vast amounts of money into a purely Airstream MOHO assembly plant. Does that make sense? Why not re-badge a well made brand as an Airstream? What made the Airstream moho so special? Certainly wasn't because it was high-quality.
No one is asking Thor to produce an Airstream MoHo except some people that don't feel like using an Airstream Trailer. The units they are proposing to rebadge are crap IMHO. The last incarnation of Airstream MoHo were not top shelf but they weren't base cheap entry level either.

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Going back to my previous statement on brand ownership, I have a hard time understand why members believe they have a say in how Thor should manage the Airstream brand? Why, because you own their product? What do you think Steve Jobs would say if I said I didn't like the iPhone because the device runs a Samsung ARM chip instead of an intel chip... it's not real OS X..... he'd tell me to pound sand. I feel Thor has the same right for non-share holders opinions here.
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If you feel that Thor is a bad steward of the Airstream brand, become share holder and voice your opinion at a shareholders meeting. Keep in mind that Thor is out to make a profit not to maintain some type of historic or religious doctrain.

I might be in the minority. Money talks, online alias are just waves in the ether.

Again I could care less what Thor does with the Airstream brand it is the AIRSTREAM OWNERS CLUB, WBCCI that is at issue here, as far as I know they are a stand alone organization and not owned by Airstream/Thor.

Maybe we need to run down to the Corvette owners club and force them to let us drive Opel GT's with Corvette badgeing? They are both GM products!


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What makes an Airstream, an Airstream?

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No but WBCCI is and AIRSTREAM CLUB and the bylaws state that you must own an AIRSTREAM MANUFACTURED product to be a member. No one is asking Thor to do anything.


No one is asking Thor to produce an Airstream MoHo except some people that don't feel like using an Airstream Trailer. The units they are proposing to rebadge are crap IMHO. The last incarnation of Airstream MoHo were not top shelf but they weren't base cheap entry level either.


See first response.




Again I could care less what Thor does with the Airstream brand it is the AIRSTREAM OWNERS CLUB, WBCCI that is at issue here, as far as I know they are a stand alone organization and not owned by Airstream/Thor.

Maybe we need to run down to the Corvette owners club and force them to let us drive Opel GT's with Corvette badgeing? They are both GM products!


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Unfortunately the precedence of allowing other products into the club (Argosy, the prior motorhomes, and the basecamp) was already set prior to this recent product re-badging incident. I doubt the other clubs have had their prior management put their clubs into the same spot.......
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If this passes, we will have saved ourselves $70.00 and we can concentrate on FMCA functions. We feel it is a lot better club anyway. Not near the polictics of WBCCI. As far as the statement"all MHs look the same" I could say the same thing about AS trailers as most outsiders can't tell you the difference between the models. As an AS motorhome owner, I have taken the time to tour a lot of the AS trailers and become educated instead of knocking trailer owners. I get so fed up with AS classic and trailer owners telling me, I don't have a real AS. We never hear that at a FMCA rally where the average cost of a MH is $350.000.00. strange isn't it?
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Old 01-21-2007, 09:19 PM   #68
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I have a much better understanding of the issues now. We went to
the Toronto RV show this weekend. 400,000 sq.ft. of RV's. There I
met with the executive from Mandalay who was at the meeting in
Perry.
What he told me is that Airstream has no desire to get involved
with the issue. It won't help them if someone else sells a
motor home they didn't build. The whole thing was started by Don
Shafer so that the WBCCI execs can stay with new motor homes.
Mandalay was approached by WBCCI to help them out. Mandaley is
willing to do a custom paint and feature a WBCCI model in 3
different price ranges up to $250,000. They were quite willing to
accommodate WBCCI as it will sell motor homes. They don't have any
opinion on the club views just want to sell more motor homes.
Then he told me that we should be happy with this as we would then
get more members as the Mandalay club is excited about the chance
to belong to WBCCI. After all we couldn't let one in and keep
another out.
This will end up like Travelers Rest in Florida. They were an
Airstream only park that decided to let in some others to help
with the costs. Now an Airstream can hardly be found there for the
white boxes everywhere.
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Unfortunately the precedence of allowing other products into the club (Argosy, the prior motorhomes, and the basecamp) was already set prior to this recent product re-badging incident.
This is not really precedent because Argosy, the prior motorhomes, and the basecamp are all Airstream Company products. The Four Winds and Mandalay motorhomes are not Airstream Company products, but for WBCCI membership purposes, "Airstream editions" of models made by Four Winds and Mandalay (sister companies to Airstream under Thor) have been presented to WBCCI by Thor for approval for membership in WBCCI.

As far as I've heard, Airstream Company has no plan to make or sell a motorhome under the Airstream brand name.

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which IBT member is willing to say a rebadged Mandalay isn't an Airstream?
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