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Old 11-22-2008, 10:04 AM   #1
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A 4CU rally...
Not a flag carrying, beret wearer in the group but gee look all WBCCI members! That's the way our rallies look in WI. Hey don't get me wrong we have our whit shirted, flag carrying beret wearers too, but the last time I check most were not into the club politics and might even like us non-traditional Airstream owners. Heck they even like us Vintage Guys!
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Richard--

That's a great photo and it's good to see some a "younger unit" grow and thrive. I just wish I was closer to you folks.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:53 AM   #3
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Put the picture in color and it would look the same today. (thanks Leo)
in your wildest dreams! (thanks for others to post examples of the contrast to this fixation)

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that statement with that photo was perceived by me to be the spark to get people riled up.
I agree, the trolling is something else. I often wonder what purpose it serves.

And, I wonder, it seems to be a putdown of a group and a lifestyle and a ceremony. Is there any reason why we should cast negative aspersions about how others choose to dress and show their allegiances? It seems that it is just that kind of intolerance of others and how they choose to live and behave and believe that is being complained about in may of these discussions.
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Old 11-22-2008, 04:34 PM   #4
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Is there any reason why we should cast negative aspersions about how others choose to dress and show their allegiances? It seems that it is just that kind of intolerance of others and how they choose to live and behave and believe that is being complained about in may of these discussions.
Hmm... Color looks pretty much like black and white to me. No one is putting down any individual, how they choose to look or dress, but there's a HUGE difference here. This is the CLUB standard uniform. These are CLUB standard practices.

I would suggest that if this official club uniform were simply made optional, instead of expected, and in some cases demanded, you'd be hard pressed to find any leader dressed like this anywhere. Maybe some very senior members, but the rest would move on to 'camper casual,' respectful, neat, and something more representative of the times.

White tuxes on stage? That mere photo must have some mouthing that Twighlight Zone theme song!

Thank God there isn't a video of the opening ceremonies with the spotlights and the parading of International Officers. This whole scheme, to some, could be categorized into a Harry Krishna kind of nightmare. Different look, but strange to most, just the same. I've finally adjusted to it -- and I now stay away. I don't have the need to attend a single formal function, or a single nights entertainment at an International. Been there, done that, and what is far more relevant can be found outdoors in the fields with the endless social gatherings being hosted by many and enjoyed by all.

You want to attract today's Airstream buyers to this club? You've got to take this Twighlight Zone appearance and stick it back into the 50's closet. We're DECADES behind in the look and feel of this club, and units that echo this paramilitary, self-importance style of leadership, in practice and appearance, are likely the ones dropping like flies. They can't attract today's Airstream buyers in that garb, with those type of formal routines.

I have been told that just 5 years ago campsites were reserved at MetroNY events to place leaders, in order, in their places of prominence. There were no nightly campfires, nobody cooked out. Instead they went to restaurants every night, and then they quietly adjorned to their RVs, early.

Today MetroNY more resembles a simple group of friends, camping, hanging by the campfire early evening through late morning (the campfire burns). Friendly conversations, members helping each other out, no matter the task. Great locations, and activities for all. No more reserved parking spaces, big group breakfasts and dinners, and a nightly social atmosphere that's enjoyed by all. Sometimes our nightly sessions end well after midnight, and then start right up again, at the break of dawn.

I personally have the worst site at nearly every single event -- simply because I'm usually the last to show up. As Unit President, that will absolutely continue, although I'm now trying to get there early, at least this year!

No big deal, because the informal, always friendly, and great atmosphere carries the weekend regardless.

The International Leaders of this club are running out of time. Make the changes, and make them now. If they don't start targetting the younger crowd, 50 and under, then the slide will continue. They're going to have to meet those generations on their terms, and the photos that Carol posted above just don't cut it. The entertainment at Internationals isn't a draw for a single person 50 and under.

We succeed locally because our potential members never see any of this paramilitary crap at our events. They see a group of campers that all own Airstreams. We don't look any different than anyone else in the campground, or when we're out on the road, and we're having FUN!

There wasn't a red jacket, a button down dress shirt, a tie, or a beret at our installation rally. There was just a great group of people having another brand new experience, (a Martha Clara Vineyard hosted wine & cheese tasting/reception) and having a great time.

The formality of this club, many of it's outdated functions, and the image that is continually cast by leaders at the top (as Carol has shown) is what is killing this club. Today's Airstream owners aren't interested in a club that projects that image.

Thankfully, there are many local units that don't drink that Kool-Aid. I believe Sierra Nevada is in the same ranks as MetroNY, WDCU, 4CU, NEU, CCU, Watchung, and countless others in that regard.

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Old 11-22-2008, 11:25 AM   #5
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Thanks but NO THANKs . I had occasion to met in person the (at least she said she was) president of the Region 4 and had a conversation with her. I told her we have an Overlander but she didn't ask us to attend any of the Cincinnati Unit functions. She has my email address even, but no communication. Seems if they wanted members or someone who would participate they would have ceased the opportunity to get a new member, but they dont want new members it appears. Overland I appreciate your gesture, it appears U are a true member that will to go to any length to obtain a new member and make pple welcome. I would have to support a local unit of which appears to be a secret orginazation in this area.
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Thats a great lookin crew.Ill bet their fun too. Like so many WBCCI members we have camped with this past yr. Its a shame there is so much politics at the top.
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Old 11-22-2008, 01:38 PM   #6
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My point being the WBCCI leadership casts an authoritarian image. Can't beat Time Life magazine for making an evoking picture, can you. That picture was worth a thousand words. It is a picture of the leadership at flag ceremony, and yes kids, the flag and pledge ceremonies are alive and current at the large rallies.

The rigidity and militaristic influences on the IBT are the same influences at work to create and uphold legislation for the club. I believe the discussion is about the WBCCI rules and how they apply to casual unit activities and particularly to hospitality. The picture shows leadership and where they are in juxtaposition to unit rallies and experience.

I think membership would like to see a relaxing and updating of the club towards camping and having fun and less of rules and ceremonies. I think if someone wants to be at our rallies we should embrace them and influenece them to help us make the experience fun and expand that thinking from the bottom up to the leadership. So that's my opinion and that's my post.

A few pictures of the ceremonies from the Sarasota State Rally, the Perry Mid Winter Rally and Bozeman International. If I had a picture of International opening ceremonies with all the unit flags in place and all the leadership assembled as they still do, I still contend it would appear very similar to the club 40 years ago. By the way that is a picture of the IBT voting to allow the motion for non-Airstream motorhomes to be brought to the membership for vote.

Sound like anyone we know? If it doesn't you haven't been paying attention.

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Old 11-22-2008, 01:58 PM   #7
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I dont know if I agree wheel. Maybe I am reading it wrong also??? The pledge is said at small Rallies and meetings also.

There is alot of craze over Nastagic Items... just look at the vintage club. or these forums, how many people own older units. Even in dept stores I think they call them throw back items.

What about tradition??

I have been in the club since 98 I was 31 ?? I like those Blue Berrets and thos 4rth of July parades. I have always been made to feel welcome at Rallies, for the most part. Ya I have come across a crotchety old geezer from time to time. I have always related it to the new hire at work. He is gunhoe. They always settle in but I think people feel intimidated. Its my club. Seniority. ect.

I hope The WBCCI and all the clubs dont loose sight of there roots. For the rules?? Rules are made to be broken.

I hope my family never stops passing the pierogi and fish sticks at christmas dinner.
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Thanks Mustang for your comment. I think prospective and new members attending an International Rally are in for a culture shock. I don't know why it has to be so formal and militaristic. Where you might say give me a minute, they say "Stand Down."The image of WBCCI is old and it is not retro cool old, it's old, just listen to the geriatric jokes at the evenings' entertainment. You'd see. Wally on a caravan is cool, IBT in formals or at the Ramada Inn is not. We want bonfires and a band, not Sky Med and free prostrate exams.

It's no one thing, not a beret, not dressing alike as much as expecting no one to challenge or speak apart. It's micromanaging and being exclusive and pomp and ceremony to honor each other in the International Club while the members feel disenfranchized and forgotten. Young people and working families and children are all an invisible subset to the planning that most of the money goes towards providing incentives for the International Club.

I love vintage, btw! Open House is my favorite event at the rallies.

If we want new members then we have to offer them the promise of what they may want in their club. Nothing wrong with tradition if it is held as a nostalgic exercise but to fossilize in time is not embracing new horizons. Tell me are you excited as they for knitting and card playing, do sign up early.

These rules I assume the nature of this thread, are taken very seriously, too seriously. Expect to receive a list of infractions as a first timer. They have police! Self appointed.
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Old 11-22-2008, 02:38 PM   #9
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Roger, you can come to Ralph's Christmas in July Rally. You have already rallied with many of us at the MD forum rallies already. Laura is 2nd VP this year! They'll be good to you or they will have Rudy's Strike Team to answer to!
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:13 PM   #10
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The Florida State rally is one of the largest attended rallys in the WBCCI. Every effort is made to be inclusive. There are many vendors there and its a great time to have factory repairs made on your equipment. Sarasota in February is a neat place to be, hope those of you that haven't been there will give it a try before making up your mind as to what its all about. For me its all about the people and the fellowship of being with other Airstream owners.
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:54 PM   #11
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I agree. The Sarasota Rally is a nice rally. Everyone was so friendly and there was a good meal and doughnuts and coffee every morning with a warm smile that made my day.

Do the flywheelers hold their rally then too this year? It was a great excursion. Lots of my friends went to the beaches. Great location at a perfect time of year too. And there is usually a listees party given by Hunter for the Yahoo Airstream group. I heard that DJ night was really fun.

Other Airstreamers are exactly what make the rally. You meet people then you meet more people and pretty soon you have friends from all over the United States and Canada. Then you go back and visit with them again and meet even more people. The locator board is a great way to find everyone's location.
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What is the rule for ex-members in your rallies?
Please come back with your thoughts on this. No flame wars please, that hopefully ended on November 4. Lets work together for change.

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Is it possible to stick with Randy's original question without it becoming yet another thread to trash WBCCI, in particular in regards to perceived rules, regulations and "mandated" attire? Is it possible to address Randy's questions in a manner that may shed some light, clarify things, and provide some positive insight that would be helpful to others? Some responses have done this. Hopefully this can continue. There are numerous other threads that can be started up again if your focus is on trashing WBCCI.
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lets just say if everyone at the Can opener had extra time on there hands and wanted to go to a WBCCI rally like this would they be allowed to do it if they are already in the club or not?
How does this work?
Am I only allowed to invite 1 person or if they know about it could they just come to the rally with out even saying anything and then join in.I do not want to just let them stand there by themselves.I would want to invite them and have fun.The more the merrier.
I am just curious.As most of you all know I just joined this unit but still a newbie in this area.

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Old 11-22-2008, 08:57 PM   #14
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Well Diane I believe it has already been addressed. The rules are the rules and they have been posted by Forrest. I added my opinion and you added your opinion about adding my opinion so I guess everyone could skip over both of our posts.

Change is not a dirty word. The theme for 2009 Madison International, Be the best you can be! That is exactly what I am hoping for WBCCI. Even if it is the army's slogan.
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