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Old 11-25-2009, 10:22 AM   #1
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Closed Door WBCCI Meeting?

I would like to suggest a “Closed Door Meeting” to only the “Progressive WBCCI Units” at the next WBCCI International Rally to discuss the future of the club. Much like the IBT has their “private meetings” to discuss the state and future of the club, I think it’s time for the membership of the more progressive units (that are truly the only hope this club has) to meet and discuss how they can help lead the WBCCI out of the forest.

I suggest “only” members of those “progressive” units be allowed to par-take in the meeting. “No” EC, IBT, Regional VP’s or members from other units should be allowed (could be IBT plants). This meeting would not be to discuss “a new club”, but changes that can be brought forth by this group to lobby the IBT to make the needed changes to the club with the understanding, if the changes are not met, that action can/will be taken to remove them from office or the withholding of entire unit dues to the WBCCI.

My guess, many of you at your different unit rallies have already had the discussion of the needed changes around the campfire. This will give you the chance to meet others of like mind from different units and to have this discussion at a much broader/wider level with action plans moving forward.

So, how does one determine “who’s” a progressive unit. I think the list would be easy to some degree, WDCU, NEU, Denver, 4CU, New York Metro, El Camino Real California, and a few others. Or a vote could be taken to “elect” no more than 10 or so units to this meeting. Each of the elected units could send a given amount of people to represent them and their ideas at the meeting. I would also ask that members only come to the meeting if they are truly ready to roll up their sleeves and do the dirty work that will be needed. Don’t show up just to listen, bitch or pile on. Be ready to step-up and take on the work (time) that will be needed to force the changes which are required at this time in our club. We know what the problems are, now we just need to fix them.

I understand there could be many that would love to come and listen, but, like that discussion around the campfire between a few “forward thinking members” it’s not time to open it up to everyone yet.

I can see the headline now in the Blue Beret. “Meeting of progressive Units, Saves the International Rally low numbers with many members showing up for progressive meeting”

It’s time to either “Lead, Follow or Get out of the way”.


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Old 11-25-2009, 10:32 AM   #2
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Progressive.......

I think such a meeting would be great, but as many can not attend the international, why not have it in several regions as a 'think tank' and allow us still young enough to have to work attend as we only have time to attend those in 300 miles distance of home?
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Old 11-25-2009, 11:43 AM   #3
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Local units can start these meetings now - they don't have to wait to go to International!

Just start a simple discussion at the unit level - is WBCCI worth the expense to the unit and for that expense, is the unit properly serviced by the club!

As an alternative to WBCCI, would forming that unit under these very forums for example give you a better service and value for the cost (free).

And actually, you can even form a Group Discussion right here on these forums for your progressive unit (assuming you do not have your own forums). Doing this will allow you to not have IBT or ECs on your list - just simple unit members. Also, doing this allows you to include members who are in your unit but live outside of your unit area and cannot attend meetings very well.

I know that if my unit holds discussions like this, I certainly will want to participate.
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:10 PM   #4
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Knock, knock!

Perhaps a modest change to the Constitution will help.
Remove the highlighted language in Section 2 of Article XIV below and insert "spent at the local unit level by the local unit and the local unit members."


ARTICLE XIV
REVENUE AND DUES

Sec. 1 The Board of Trustees shall fix and determine the amount of the Inter­national Club annual membership dues and such dues shall be levied and collected in advance on a calendar year basis.

Sec. 2 The International Club dues of members, except Members at Large, shall be collected through the units of the club, and in the case of a unit in the process of formation, through the provisional unit and all International dues so collected shall be forwarded to International Club Headquarters. The International dues of Members at Large and the established surcharge shall be collected by International Club Head­quarters.
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:26 PM   #5
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I would like to suggest a “Closed Door Meeting” to only the “Progressive WBCCI Units” at the next WBCCI International Rally to discuss the future of the club.
I suggest “only” members of those “progressive” units be allowed to par-take in the meeting. “


So, how does one determine “who’s” a progressive unit. I think the list would be easy to some degree, WDCU, NEU, Denver, 4CU, New York Metro, El Camino Real California, and a few others.

Thoughts??

So just what is a "Progressive Unit" ? Lets define that a little better than what is in this post.
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:55 PM   #6
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Do a search for the answer

I see a “progressive unit” as a unit that has a “personality” that has allowed it to grow over the past couple of years by using technology and thinking out of the box when it comes to rallies, events, etc…

If one sits back and looks, the units that are growing are the ones that go “against” the WBCCI IBT, EC norm, with the berets, flag ceremonies, and white shirts/red tie/blue slacks. The units that are growing tend to take a more “laid back” approach to the whole thing. Does this make them “progressive”? I would say compared to the rest of the WBCCI, “YES”.

There are many people that have in the past and will in the future “refuse” to join the WBCCI because of the “stuffy” regimental ways that many of the units in the WBCCI follow. Just go back and do a search of the many threads of the years why many folks do not join, there is a “common thread” pardon the pun. Also, do a search of the threads about the units that “are growing”. You again will find a common thread, these units tend to be, laid back, fun, no regimental way of doing things and many use technology.

Add to this, the need for someone other than “Leo”(do not take this as I agree with everything he does) to stand up as a group and say “Enough with the bad management of our funds, our club, the WBCCI forums, etc…”

If as a member you want the WBCCI around for your children, we had better soon take the bull by the horns and do something. If not, the only ones that will be around to remember the WBCCI will be those for the most part above the age of 50-60yrs, for it is not going to last another 50 years the way it’s currently going.

Does that answer your question?
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Old 11-25-2009, 02:54 PM   #7
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I don't mean to be difficult, but wouldn't a progressive club not be having closed door meetings?

I understand the purpose, but still...

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I don't mean to be difficult, but wouldn't a progressive club not be having closed door meetings?

I understand the purpose, but still...

Tom
Awe Mutcth, the progressive folks are just trying to help us little people out. Need to keep it a secret, they know what's best for us.
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AHhhhhhhhhhhh

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Does that answer your question?
Now I see, thanks for making this clearer for me.

Now the way I see it the WI unit would fit this mold, we are growing, (25 new units this year) not too stuffy, open minded, newsletter by email and snail mail if needed (taking care of our older less techy members) and reduced the dues to those that take it by email ($7.00/yr), informal gatherings, some events structured some not, lots of kids and younger members. New trailer owners getting along with old trailer owners, strong Vintage Club Membership, not a lot of politics, short business meetings, strong attendance at the International

This is how I define progressive..............
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:18 PM   #10
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I don't mean to be difficult, but wouldn't a progressive club not be having closed door meetings?

I understand the purpose, but still...

Tom
All should be invited!!!
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:24 PM   #11
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Awe Mutcth, the progressive folks are just trying to help us little people out. Need to keep it a secret, they know what's best for us.
LOL! I actually belong to one (and eventually two) of the progressive groups mentioned above.

While I think that brainstorming to figure out how to address issues with the club on a national level might be beneficial, I would be wary of such a group being blamed for one of the same activities that they are protesting...

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I have been following the most recent posts the past 2 days and I am still trying to wrap my head around all this. I have read the previous posts over the past several months about many of the issues. I agree with Paul that the more "progressive" units need to unite and come to a consensus of our future. I was going to ask about that in the Leo post from yesterday. However, I have concerns about allowing the time frame to continue to move forward to International. Is there no parameters that afford the Units to have votes of No Confidence? It appears on face value that the mismanagement of funds would be sufficient to justify this. Maybe I am mistaken and it will, and maybe should, take until July to organize this union. It would be very fitting to have revolutionary discussions in July.

However, as a new member and fellow aluminum addict I will take into consideration the ideas of my more knowledgeable members in the parliamentary procedures of this organization. I plan on assisting where I can, if I can, and if afforded the opportunity.

Oh and Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Have safe travels.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:08 PM   #13
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Good idea paul, but are you really going to the International ??????
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:20 PM   #14
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I have been following the post about WBCCI and decided to not comment but here I am trying to figure this out.

When we bought our AS we were really gung ho wanting to join a club meet and camp with fellow Airstreamers.

So we joined WBCCI and was contacted by clubs from 2 cities one local and one 127 miles away and both clubs claiming to be better than the other.

The problem both clubs only meet during working hours everyone seemed to be much older than us and were planning rallys during the week (WED to Sat) when we could not attend.

We just felt like we really didn't belong and we didn't like the idea of one club knocking down the other. We decided not to renew and never had anyone try to recruit us after the initial contacts including the WBCCI.

I see no help in any of these post for the many folks that would join in a new club but are not in the right (progressive) area so we are shut out of a new opportunity before the first meeting and to start up with Closed Door meetings with who knows what might be a hidden agenda just doesn't sound right.

I don't have a solution so I probably shouldn't post but !!!!!
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