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Old 04-05-2007, 08:27 PM   #43
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I have asked the CCC organizers to put me on their mailing list and send me the past newsletters and correspondence. Although I am not a caravan or international travel expert, it appears from the few emails that I have had the chance to read that they are well prepared for this journey of a lifetime. If you have questions you should direct them to the organizers and not to people here who have no idea. These are not inexperienced people.

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Old 04-05-2007, 08:45 PM   #44
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I have asked the CCC organizers to put me on their mailing list and send me the past newsletters and correspondence. Although I am not a caravan or international travel expert, it appears from the few emails that I have had the chance to read that they are well prepared for this journey of a lifetime. If you have questions you should direct them to the organizers and not to people here who have no idea. These are not inexperienced people.

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My point exactly - first - I did ask these questions to the "participants" here in the forums (without a mailing list I cannot contact the others) - second - "these are not inexperienced people" (I believe you mean the people here on the forums where this discussion is being held and in some ways promoted) is exactly my point. I am certain that the individuals who are trying their best to make this happen and are promoting this caravan have lots of caravan sponsoring experience. For them this is another "walk in the park". It is not them I am worried about but the rest who will join up for the adventure and follow these guys. I have read some of their newsletters with great interest, I have read some other information online, I have my hands on the book about the first trip and the National Geographic article, and have plotted the old route to look at the modern possibility of taking a trip through there (not possible). I see no reason to believe that they have nothing but the best interest of the participants in mind - but the world does not rotate on good intentions.

Maybe - being prepared for the last caravan and its hardships is not good enough for the next caravan and the current world hostilities we live in today.

EDIT - I made a bad typo at first and is now corrected - I apologize - I was not attempting to change your words. MIKE
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Old 04-05-2007, 08:58 PM   #45
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These are not inexperienced people.Bill
i agree with you completely bill...

this trip has some huge talent at the top.

yes there is some dreaming involved.

and i love 'em for that.

clearly adventures like this aren't for everyone.

dreaming should be.

i respect those who think this part of the world is too dangerous....

that is how most of the planet views...

the u.s. of a.

and clancyboy i would love to know more about what you do...

perhaps at another rally?

but you ask the question...

"would you treat a person without insurance"

well i've done it many times...

oh, you mean professional liabilty insurance

it turns out retired docs can do just that in many states now, under state protection....

the insurance issue is a red herring, folks.

the wbcci didn't ask the cccc leaders to address this issue...

with extra fees or 3rd party coverage or any other win/win option...

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Old 04-05-2007, 09:07 PM   #46
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Mike,

I had to read you original,uncorrected post and my quoted post a couple of times. Typos are a pain, I never thought you intended to change my post, just mistyped it happens to all of us.

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Old 04-05-2007, 09:12 PM   #47
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2air,

Dreams are great, we all need them. The entire world needs dreamers, the great explorers were dreamers, Wally Byam was a dreamer and because of him we all enjoy his product and hopefully each other.

I am not privy to the interworkings of the EC of the IBT of WBCCI, but I think they just wimped out and grabbed whatever weak excuse they could. The problems the cited are overcomeable, the cost of the insurance would be on the participants not WBCCI. It is dangerous to walk across the street or to be out at night. There are areas of So Cal that I would not take my trailer.

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Old 04-05-2007, 09:22 PM   #48
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I did ask these questions to the "participants" here in the forums MIKE
clancy boy...

i recall reading some of your questions in another thread...

maybe here.

http://www.airforums.com/forum...airo-8454.html

first i'm not a spokeperson for the caravan,

and MOST of the folks signed on for the trip have NOT been on these forums....

ever.

less than 15 by count (and i'm counting)

however several have joined just this week, and we expect all/most will be members here eventually.

details will be made available slowly....

no one ON the caravan wants to risk the planning efforts with premature information,

or factually incorrect info...

also some questions or concerns will never be adequately addressed for everyone...

i'm glad folks here have such a keen interest and experience to offer...

no doubt by the time this journey happens,

members of the forums will be up to speed and part of the trip.

place your pre order now for cccc decoder rings!

it's gonna be grand!

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Old 04-05-2007, 09:24 PM   #49
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Well posted Rob!!

We are no fans of the WBC's vote either and will NOT go to the International.

Caravans are a wonderful experience and the true spirit of Wally. That's what our AS represents to us:freedom!

Wish we could get 4 months off and go to Africa, we'd go in a heart beat
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Old 04-05-2007, 09:39 PM   #50
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i agree with you completely bill...

this trip has some huge talent at the top.

yes there is some dreaming involved.

and i love 'em for that.

clearly adventures like this aren't for everyone.

dreaming should be.

i respect those who think this part of the world is too dangerous....

that is how most of the planet views...

the u.s. of a.

and clancyboy i would love to know more about what you do...

perhaps at another rally?

but you ask the question...

"would you treat a person without insurance"

well i've done it many times...

oh, you mean professional liabilty insurance

it turns out retired docs can do just that in many states now, under state protection....

the insurance issue is a red herring, folks.

the wbcci didn't ask the cccc leaders to address this issue...

with extra fees or 3rd party coverage or any other win/win option...

cheers
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What do I do? - in the simplest of terms is: I lead world wide oceanographic and hydrographic survey operations for the US Navy. As a Senior Oceanographer, I lead and am responsible for the deployment of men (and women) and the necessary equipment (can be several CONEX boxes full), their travel plans, food, medical care, etc... to remote survey locations and operate from both shore and ship when available (both US Navy and ships of opportunity). This is a great over simplification of my job. Yesterday, I had to HUMEVAC one of my team - his father had a stroke, I've been up for over 36 hours arrainging his immediate return to the US and using my credit card to secure his return tickets (don't worry tax dollars at work here). This is not the first time I have worked with the Red Cross to evacuate personnel from a foreign land - you have their number and know the country desk personnel by name? I was 60 miles from the Kursk when she sank - where were you? I have been as far north as 87 degrees and 68 degrees south and everything east and west, every continent but Antarctica (regretably) and more specifically for this discussion have lived in Morocco for 2 years, deployed to Cote de Ivorie, Nigeria (fun place) Egypt, Djibouti, Somalia (prior to recent events), Kenya, South Africa, Tunisia and have been to several places in the Persian Gulf. I have used up passports before they were expired and had passport extenders added so I could use them longer. I spend up to 6 months out of the country each year - which involves more than 6 trips across each pond each year.

I guess that makes me a caravan leader - want go on one of my trips? I'm at sea right now with my team off Japan - well that's as simple a location as I can say - LOOK AT A MAP.

I dream, I dream of a world at peace, I live in a world of constant turmoil, and regretably can NOT see all I want to see whan I travel. I wouldn't dream of stopping someone from following their dreams - I'm living mine.
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want go on one of my trips?
wow, cool, amazing and wow.

not that reads like an adventure!

as for tagging along...

can i put up party lights and wear a silly hat?

nah, i'm not good on boats...

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I'm sure that "not" was a mis-type but in a strange way maybe NOT.
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not that reads like an adventure!
not is knot what i meant....

not should read now...

keep in mind i've only got 3 fingers...

including toes.

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late to react but

I am late to react here, and I want to make sure I understand what's goin on.
Tell me if I am wrong but is this the situation :
the WBCCI won't support the CCC but will support non AS moho to be a part of the club.
So the same who wanted the club to be named "Airstream club" don't want to support an AS event but they will for non AS.
Sounds like treason to me...
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Oh, this whole WBCCI thing keeps getting weirder and more bazaar. You at some point wonder....can I pay my dues to the local and not to the international?

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