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Old 01-26-2007, 10:44 AM   #127
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Diane, yours is one of the most lucid observation and discussion I have heard on this topic. It is obvious that you understand parlimentary procedure and its importance in keeping an organization on track. My hat is off to you and others that want to move ahead and build a better organization rather than tear it down. Keep up the good work.
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:11 PM   #128
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There are reasons the USA is a republic and not a democracy. Many of these reasons also apply to other large organizations. We need to learn from history so we don't keep doing things that don't work.
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Did I must something? The United States of America is a republic?

OK, now this issue is getting way off line, the thread is slowly getting highjacked and I for one am very tired of this whole discussion. WBCCI is for Airstreams, period.

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Old 01-26-2007, 03:17 PM   #129
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Did I must something? The United States of America is a republic?
Yes, I'm afraid you must have missed something in Civics Class. We are a democratic republic, but a republic just the same.

A republic is one in which the government has a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president and a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

In other words, we elect representatives (Congressmen/women and Senators) to make our laws and we have a president.

A pure democracy is one in which the power is exercised directly by the people rather than through representatives.
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:28 AM   #130
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Unit survival in question

My opinion is that the WBCCI will survive. But only if new Units are formed.

Now this experiance is only about a particular Unit. I know other Units are different.

I had switched from MAL to a local Unit. Yesterday we went on our first Rally with them.

We arrived at 11:00am. No one greeted, waved or otherwise acknowledged us. The Unit President came over and introduced himself at 3:30 and collected a check for camping fees. Chatted for about 15 min and left. We had been outside the majority of this time. The members stayed in their Moho's or trailers. I saw almost no socializing.

A very nice woman came over and joined us and we had a wonderfull time with her. She was not a member of this Unit. She and her husband also a truly nice man had just bought their Bambi and were there to try it out.

This Units members are older. Average age in the 70's which I think is pretty cool that they are still out camping. Unfortunately they made it pretty clear that they were not interested in new members actually camping with them. A very bad experiance. My wife at one point looked at me and said. "Did we fart in Church?"

At the dinner that night only three people spoke to us. Two of whom are the nice couple mentioned above and one "Official" who asked our names and talked with us for about 45 seconds. Of those we spoke to most were very minimal in conversation. There was one fellow who was very warm to us.

You should see the pictures we took at dinner. We'd stand at the table holding a camera and say "Smile" and they'd look at us and either turn away and go back to their dinner or conversation. Only four folks actually smiled for the camera.

I am not mentioning anyones name or the Unit as this is only my feelings and observations. I don't want to bash anyone just share my experiance and feelings. I'm sure the folks in this Unit are generally nice and would have their own observations of us.

So it occured to me that the WBCCI will survive but Units will start, grow, mature and die. Like the cycle of life. New Units need to be born.

Seems if I wish to be in a welcoming, having fun Unit I may have to start one myself. Anybody know how you start a Unit?
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Old 03-05-2007, 06:10 AM   #131
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Sounds like the welcoming committee drop the ball big time.

Did you talk to any members before joining that unit?
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Old 03-05-2007, 09:19 AM   #132
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Sounds like the welcoming committee drop the ball big time.

Did you talk to any members before joining that unit?
Only the previous President. Very nice guy BTW.
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Old 03-05-2007, 09:26 AM   #133
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Clickish, & Overly Officious... My Favorite...

i belong to the WBCCI. i wanted to support the club, so i joined quite a while ago. i joined every club i could find...

i've never attended a WBCCI event B4 as i tend to like vintage trailer rallies of all makes; people there tend to decorate, dress up and i've always found them to be a hoot. however i like camping in general; regardless... so anyway... i was invited to this event. i came.

my observation of this weekend camping w/ the WBCCI? hopelessly overly officious. clickish... generally unfriendly. who has the nicest toy(s) and or the best camping spot (it was clear that the sites were "assigned" (but not really, wink, nod) by pecking order). HUMOR WAS IN SHORT SUPPLY with a majority. diversity was non-existant. gawd forbid you left the interior of your aluminum dwelling (or your fiberglass palace)...

happy hour 4:30pm, bed by 6:30pm. yawn...

no potlucks, no dive cowboy bars, no feed stores, no gun stores, no art, no horseshoes, list could could go on and on...

we made ourselves readily available, and WE WERE OVERLY FRIENDLY... to almost no avail (please note, to be fair some folks were down right friendly and did hang w/ us; most (as in majority) made no attempt, AT ALL) i didn't mention the name of the unit, the people or the location. this is not an attack, it's an observation...

if i was 5 - 55ish, i'd run away! FAST... (as in, if you want to destroy something do all the above)

the ONLY way the WBCCI is going to evolve? FORM NEW UNITS. the quicker the better. drop the officious bull.

a very interesting contrast in WBBCI rally styles would be the Four Corners Unit in the southwest. i attended a forum rally with that group not long ago B4 they were granted a WBCCI charter. in my opinion, the FCU is the future of the WBCCI.

but that's just me... what do i know... i only did 15 rallies last year. i'm new...

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Old 03-05-2007, 09:35 AM   #134
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Seems if I wish to be in a welcoming, having fun Unit I may have to start one myself. Anybody know how you start a Unit?
Go camping, with friends.

That is the first priority. That is the reason for organizing.

Go camping, with friends.

If it turns out you need to organize things to keep people working together and in touch with each other, then build an organization. When you have that, affiliate with others by becoming a Unit of the WBCCI if that suits.

The Unit serves the purpose: going camping. with friends. It is not an end in itself.

As you can see in these discussions, there are many who are conflicted about why the WBCCI exists. They see it as a political playground. They see it as a symbol of an American Icon. They see it as an expression for their ideologies. These are distractions and they destroy organizations. The focus must be on why you organize in order to put the effort on what is important. What is important is to go camping, with friends - not to organize and politicize and argue.

The welcoming committee problem is all too common and it is not only at rallies you see this. You see it here with this corner of the forums known to some moderators as a place to avoid because of the intolerant people. You see it in what happens when you try to point out uncivil behavior - which is why you don't see a lot of folks participating.

It is often easier to find friends when they are already there than to start afresh. That is why I suggest getting involved with an existing Unit and working it from the inside: A bit harder in some respects but it can be much more rewarding. All too often people form cliques and that means fewer friends and less opportunity. When you go camping, with friends, you want to be able to encourage more friends and not repeat what happened to you.
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Old 03-05-2007, 10:17 AM   #135
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Bryan, Sage advice. You've explained the best foundation for a new Unit.

AzFlycaster, can you expand a bit? I'd like to know a bit more about the building blocks.
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Old 03-05-2007, 10:26 AM   #136
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Goin camping- Like the early post says- go camping with your friends! Come on up to Casini, we are all waiting to see you and Karin again! You know me - sorry to hear about your last weekend - there is no bad out there- just something for everyone- so take the drive up north and bring some more of the SoCal peeps with you. Didn't you start a thread on black numbers some time ago? Maybe had something to do with less than favourable experiences ? DG
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:11 AM   #137
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As I have said before, each unit has its own personality and this personality changes with the members in attendance. A new or prospective has to either accept that personality, attempt to change it or find a new unit. There are many units in Southern California, don't give up until you have tried more. Don't paint the entire club with the broad brush of one bad experience. Everyone's experience will be different.

Sometimes, I enjoy the opportunity to just sit and veg without interaction or to be able to catch up on my reading. Sometimes, I want to interact with others.

Just my personal opinion.

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As I have said before, each unit has its own personality and this personality changes with the members in attendance. A new or prospective has to either accept that personality, attempt to change it or find a new unit. There are many units in Southern California, don't give up until you have tried more. Don't paint the entire club with the broad brush of one bad experience. Everyone's experience will be different.

Sometimes, I enjoy the opportunity to just sit and veg without interaction or to be able to catch up on my reading. Sometimes, I want to interact with others.

Just my personal opinion.

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Bill,

Trust me I am not painting the club with any brush. I was just saying that the Rally was not what I had hoped it would be and why. I am not even critisizing this Unit. They are happy with themselves and what they do. That actually makes them a succssesfull Unit. It's just not a Unit where Mrs. Goincamping and I fit in.

Did this event sour us on the WBCCI? Heck no. We still love being Wally's kids and will remain so.

Did this event sour us on seeking the kind of Unit we want to be in? Not even.

This event just caused me to think and ponder about the WBCCI. I'm sure the second Unit ever formed was different from the first in it's collective personality. My thoughts were just on how such a diverse organization survives. Thus my intrest in how a Unit is formed.

This intrest is technical and not political.

You better be carefull Bill or we'll be camping next to you again.
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Trust me I am not painting the club with any brush. I was just saying that the Rally was not what I had hoped it would be and why. I am not even critisizing this Unit. They are happy with themselves and what they do. That actually makes them a succssesfull Unit. It's just not a Unit where Mrs. Goincamping and I fit in.

Did this event sour us on the WBCCI? Heck no. We still love being Wally's kids and will remain so.

Did this event sour us on seeking the kind of Unit we want to be in? Not even.

This event just caused me to think and ponder about the WBCCI. I'm sure the second Unit ever formed was different from the first in it's collective personality. My thoughts were just on how such a diverse organization survives. Thus my intrest in how a Unit is formed.

This intrest is technical and not political.

You better be carefull Bill or we'll be camping next to you again.
Milo,

My reply was not directed to you personally. I know what you intended, I did not want your experience to color someone else into thinking that WBCCI is not the place to be. You understand that every unit is different and you are willing to experiment to find the right unit, and I hope you find it.

I am thinking about going to Palm Desert the end of this month. Want to camp next to us?

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Milo,

My reply was not directed to you personally. I know what you intended, I did not want your experience to color someone else into thinking that WBCCI is not the place to be. You understand that every unit is different and you are willing to experiment to find the right unit, and I hope you find it.

I am thinking about going to Palm Desert the end of this month. Want to camp next to us?

Bill
Bill,

Shoot me the details and if we can we'll for sure be there.

I know we'll find a fit because there's just too many opportunities to not find one. Thats the beauty of the WBCCI.
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