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Old 03-23-2006, 09:11 AM   #57
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Yes, I received three messages, though I don't recall now what they were. (Because my Yahoo inbox is the recipient of mails from eight different accounts dealing with all sorts of professional involvements, I get a lot of stuff in ... I delete most of it.)

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Old 03-23-2006, 01:56 PM   #58
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Lol

Cooperhawk, I have been LOL since I started to read this thread. I was wondering just how far you going to pull their legs. I am leaning in favor of the name change, but if it does not change I will not walk away. I will keep participating in events and also planning them. (Thanks for posting my rally on the MN unit website).
The comments made earlier about meeting new friends is absolutly true. My wife and I have made great friend since we joined 3 yrs ago. We consider them almost family. (My kids call it a cult).
As for the savewally website, I went and looked. The agreement listed there did not seem to be that limiting. The worst part was the poor langauge and sentence structure in a couple of places.
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Old 03-23-2006, 03:44 PM   #59
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enough of all this yacking... time for action. i mailed in my offical ballot today (san fernando valley california unit 12-016). i'm following the sage advice found here on the forum, and voting for the name change and new logo. however one thing on the ballot caught me by surprise, #1) should the "base camp travel trailer" be eligible for inclusion in the club? i voted yes. i voted yes for all three item's. vote and vote often.

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Old 03-25-2006, 11:07 PM   #60
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I just uploaded a fresh batch of Save Wally Avatars for your enjoyment. If you are in favor of saving Wally and his club, sport an avatar here. Show your true colors!
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Old 03-26-2006, 08:39 AM   #61
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We are proud to present our new Avatar!! Thanks to Leo (GT65) for customising it for us!!

Wally loved Germany and Germany loves Wally!!
There was a picture in one of the big Airstream Books showing an Airstream in destroyed Cologne, if I recall that right...


Thanks to all SaveWally.org Members and to those of you who run the whole thing!! Great Job!!

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Old 03-26-2006, 09:37 AM   #62
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Cooperhawk, I have been LOL since I started to read this thread. I was wondering just how far you going to pull their legs.
As for the savewally website, I went and looked. The agreement listed there did not seem to be that limiting. The worst part was the poor langauge and sentence structure in a couple of places.
Well, It was fun being the Devil's Advocate for a while. There were just a lot of things being said that were not accuarate and I would rather everyone see all the issues on any subject to be decided. I noticed that a very small percentage of forum or WBCCI members were participating and that when people in favor of the name change would comment, they were quickly being put down. I really hate bullies! Unfortunately, that is how politics works these days, and that is what it was.

I still don't really care what they call the group. I do think that the club needs to modernize, and they need to start someplace. Maybe a name change would help. Can't say.

I know quite a few of the Officers and I think they will try to represent the members the best they can. There are a lot of silent folks with opinions who have probably expressed their wishes to their officers. Should be interesting.
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Old 03-27-2006, 02:38 AM   #63
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Thanks to Leo (GT65) for customising it for us!!
Sorry folks I have to correct myself... It was not GT65 who made the Avatar, it was 65GT, but whos name still is Leo and whom we still thank for doing it!!

THANKS Leo (65GT)

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Old 03-27-2006, 03:01 AM   #64
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Bjoern,

Good to see international support for the No Name Change movement. Thank you for having the courage to take a stand and sporting an avatar stating so...
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:22 AM   #65
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Interested in Saving Wally?

Interested in saving Wally? Wondering what you can do to help? Then look no further, Get armed to the teeth!

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Old 03-31-2006, 06:47 PM   #66
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I recently purchased a new AS and in the owner's packet was a very well done application to join the:

WALLY BYAM CARAVAN CLUB INTERNATIONAL.

Under the WBCCI logo were the words: "the Airstream RV Association". This is repeated on the inside flap and the intro paragraph reads:

"If you own any trailer or motorhome manufactured by Airstream, INC, WBCCI offers you fun and exciting opportunities to enjoy your Airstream and the RV lifestyle"

Quite frankly, I find the "save Wally" posts rather tedious and it gives me pause about joining the organization. Change is good. What if Wally stuck with the same designs and never changed a thing over the past 50 years?

Wally used the WBCCI as a promotional tool and I see no good reason why Thor shouldn't take the same stand to promote the AS product. I read the parsing of the constitution and by-laws and came to the conclusion that too many people in the organization have to much time on their hands.

We bought our trailer to escape the petty politics of local and regional organizations. I belong to a car club that has no rules, no meetings, no dues and everybody is president. It's been working for 20 years and just keeps getting bigger!

BTW, one of our tours was taking over the Shady Dell for the whole weekend.

A final thought: Put these strings on a password protected site available to members only.
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Whoops! Looks like you entered the wrong thread. WBCCI has an upcoming vote for it's members, this thread is about your choices on the vote posed by the no name change supporters.
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Old 05-13-2006, 06:00 AM   #68
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I think this boils down to by-laws

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So riddle me this...

How come 700+ WBCCI members can agree to add Airstream to the club name and the IBT jumps through hoops to make it happen, yet 268 members from a single unit HAD NO OPPORTUNITY to vote this past weekend?
Do you know what that unit's by-laws state with regards to voting? This situation could have happened because of the unit's existing by-laws. Some by-laws mandate that voting must be done in person; other by-laws mandate that voting can be done by mail-in ballot but so many days advance notice is needed. The name change situation snuck up on alot of units and perhaps many of them that realized they wanted to do a mail-in ballot didn't realize it in time to organize a mail-in ballot.

With regards to distribution of votes within a unit, again one must look at the by-laws. Some mandate an exact count be presented whereas others mandate a percent distribution (which is what seemed to have happened in the case you illustrated above).
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65GT -- Thanks for the concise summary of the past years events with regards to WBCCI, the IBT and the name change vote. Anyone who has been somewhat active on these forums should now understand the name change situation and its history. Additionally, you should be commended for your persistence and enthusiasm about making sure the message is out there. Between this forum, your personal savewally.org website, and your monetary commitment, I can see the single-minded dedication you have when you believe in a cause.

My question to you and everyone else is what is next on the agenda after International? 65GT et al have pointed out areas within the WBCCI organization that perhaps should be revisited. What have we learned from this experience and how will we use these learnings in a constructive manner moving forward to drive changes?
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Old 05-13-2006, 09:50 AM   #70
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What can we learn? What is next on the agenda?

First, the blame is not with the IBT, it is with the membership. Always has been and always will be. We vote not only by activism but also by apathy. We have responsibilities that we can meet or ignore depending upon what we think important. We have responsibilities to run for office, to serve, and to do so with integrity and diligence. We will reap our rewards and see the consequences of what we do or don't do for and with our organization.

Second is that cohesiveness and unity are not served by finger pointing, blaming, and acerbic or divisive us-vs-them rhetoric. It is not served by failing to accept the consequences of one's own actions or being disloyal when a proper decision has been made that we do not like. It is not served by using innapropriate procedures to correct faults or other problems.

Third is to figure out why the WBCCI exists. What is it? What makes is special and unique? Is it an acerbic debating society or perhaps something else?

Fourth is to look at what the organization does and what we do in the organization when measured against why it exists. Does it contribute? Detract? Or just spin wheels? When we act within the club or in its name or in some way related to the club, do our actions reflect what the club is all about?

Finally we need to look at how we can strengthen those actions that emphasize why WBCCI exists and furthers its identity and purpose and reason for being. Let go of those things that are not WBCCI; tend and care for those that are.

SaveWally is one way to overcome and bypass perceived problems in the organization and get the word out. But I wonder what would be the outcome if, rather than finding enemies to fight, it started with one on one debate and creating friendships? I wonder what would happen if the efforts involved in communications were directed instead towards helping WBCCI become more effective in utilizing those methods? If instead of picking fights and being combative the efforts were more towards training, enlightenment, and persuasion via example and demonstration?

Is WBCCI about circling the wagons anticipating an Indian attack? Or is it about getting to the top of the next horizon to share the view with friends?
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