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02-10-2010, 05:25 PM
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Rivet Master
1968 30' Sovereign
1959 18' "Footer"
1954 22' Flying Cloud
Brussels
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 615
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Bravo WBCCI
Thanks for protecting our club's heritage!
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I'm NOT an old man.............
Ed
54 Flying Cloud
59 Traveler
68 Sovereign
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02-10-2010, 06:25 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 23' Safari SE
Central
, Connecticut
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,652
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Thanks for creating a thread that won't cause any controversy.
It's an open forum, and to each their own.
Tom
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02-10-2010, 06:36 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer
, Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,080
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Yeah Ed. Right there with ya. That was a close one, eh? Or maybe the only thing that really matters to leadership is who gets the last word in WBCCI. It's not the name of the club or even the brand of recreational vehicle that's important to our International Board of Directors.
Controversy? There's no stinkin' controversy. In fact we can just call a do-over if there is even a hint of criticism. Just bury it and start with a clean slate. It is all just for fun and being good ambassadors and about our friends and the 5 freedoms outlined by whats his name? You know that cat in the hat. The one they get tired of telling people who he is, the one they would rather leave out of the name of the club to make bookings easier and readily identifiable without a lengthy explanation of WBCCI.
What I am wondering about is this. The self nominated leadership tells its membership that they own our posted words, and our member's forum, the record of public business meetings, and Wally's name, and the WBCCI logo; but actually don't the members own the club and rights through their membership dues as stockholders, especially a majority of stockholders?
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02-10-2010, 06:46 PM
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#4
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Restorations done right
Commercial Member
1962 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Baltimore
, Maryland
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,545
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I have to agree with Ed. The club has done a great thing.
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02-10-2010, 07:02 PM
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A.K.A "THE STREAM"
2010 25' FB International
Arlington
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,308
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 62overlander
I have to agree with Ed. The club has done a great thing.
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What did the Club do?
Is this a place to post and like someone else said "get the last word"
These threads make no sense to me, but they do have my curosity up.
Please elaborate.
Shane
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02-10-2010, 07:03 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1976 31' Sovereign
2007 19' Bambi
Midland
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 133
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Like Shane says... What did the club do?
I've been working, so I guess I've missed something over the last few days.
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Coco
1976 Sovereign & 75th Anniv Bambi
TAC TX-3
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02-10-2010, 07:28 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer
, Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,080
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The leadership of the club voted to change the name to AOAI (2006) and the leadership of the club voted to allow other brands (non-Airstreams) of recreational vehicles into the club.(2007) And the leadership of the club has outlawed using Wally Byam's name for an alternative birthday rally.(2010)
Save Wally's Rock Paper Scissors No-Name Change Get-Together Salem Oregon International Rally 2006
What's this? You can badge any vehicle with an Airstream plaque whether Airstream has made it or not. What graphics would you like? Mid-Winter IBT Perry Georgia 2007
All in favor of allowing other brands of recreational vehicles into the "Airstream Owners Association" such as 4 Winds. Maybe we can open membership up to all members of 4 winds and increase membership.
Be wary! Who are the real keepers of your club and it's heritage and who just wants to lord it over?
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02-10-2010, 08:32 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 26' Cruiser/Overlander
1967 17' Caravel
Newport
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,058
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He-He-He...
O.K., I'm still wondering (although I think I may already know,) what is the subject of this thread??? No reference? No link?
I am a member, yet have a life and do not have the time to follow every social web site in an attempt to keep up with the hoopla and silly drama! I'm almost byond the point of caring anymore.
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KB1UFH
KB1UFI
"Reality Is The Leading Cause Of Stress"
"There are only five great men in the world and three of them are hamburgers."
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02-10-2010, 08:34 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
1954 25' Cruiser
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands
, Nevada
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,151
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Yes, these efforts by WBCCI are finally a move in the direction to protect the Wally Byam identity after years of trying to scuttle him completely by allowing dreadful looking box motorhomes into the club that truly deny the genius and beauty of Wally's (am I allowed to use his name here?) vision of what a recreational vehicle should be.
The club spent so many years, embarrassed by Wally's identity that they tried to change the name of the club to that which denies his involvement in the creation of the club because it was simply TOO hard to explain to people who he was.
This about face and apparent move to finally embrace Wally, his identity and importance to the club just warms my heart and gives me hope for the future of WBCCI.
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02-10-2010, 09:37 PM
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AIR #8691
2006 25' Safari SS SE
Northern
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 381
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Don't worry, be happy, go camping
Yes, “Thanks for protecting our club’s heritage.”
Now don’t worry, be happy, go camping and don’t try to rationalize.
Autocratic. Unaccountable.
Ascend to the ‘First Circle’ - -sans leadership qualifications.
Q.: Shouldn’t the ‘First Circle’ be entitled and entrusted to do whatever they determined is best for the rest of the membership without interference?
Maintaining the status quo trumps and longevity.
Members must understand and trust the ‘First Circle’s’ directives.
Q.: Isn’t it good to have rules and customs to follow for the sake of traditions?
Democratic clubs are difficult to control while maintaining the status quo.
Organizations need law and order to function. Change is a threat.
For the sake of peace and harmony, refrain from introducing new ideas.
“The club did the right thing.” Now don’t worry, be happy, go camping.
Remember Bobby McFerrin’s song:
Here's a little song i wrote,
You might want to sing it note for note,
Don't worry, be happy
In every life we have some trouble,
When you worry you make it double
Don't worry, be happy
Dont worry be happy now
Dont worry be happy
Dont worry be happy
Dont worry be happy
Dont worry be happy
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02-11-2010, 01:28 AM
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Certifiable
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,467
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You're welcome!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Emerick
Thanks for protecting our club's heritage!
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Now that we've saved our club's heritage, you'll be excited to know that one of our resident experts also has some excellent ideas on how to solve the club's budget problems that we created.
You're welcome!
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"IT'S A MAGICAL WORLD, HOBBES, OL' BUDDY... LET'S GO EXPLORING!" ~ CALVIN
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02-11-2010, 03:05 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1968 17' Caravel
Marblehead
, Hasslechusetts
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buttercup
The club spent so many years, embarrassed by Wally's identity that they tried to change the name of the club to that which denies his involvement in the creation of the club because it was simply TOO hard to explain to people who he was..
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Ah, but now that an independent group is going to do honor annually to the man singularly responsible for the Airstream trailer they finally see the light and want to try to prevent them from doing it by unleashing mad-dog lawyers.
Does this action truly represent the will of the members who are in essence the club?
I think not.
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02-11-2010, 04:08 AM
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#13
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Restorations done right
Commercial Member
1962 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Baltimore
, Maryland
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,545
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I just seems fitting to this situation
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02-11-2010, 05:25 AM
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Rivet Master
1992 29' Excella
Currently Looking...
JOY IN
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 650
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As a 4 th year new member, What heritage,all the people that I talk to in my travels look at my Wbcci stickers and say what are they for.Many people think I belong to , a Alzheimer group, I tell them my Red Trailer numbers are for finding me if I get lost.
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02-11-2010, 06:23 AM
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Rivet Master
1962 22' Safari
2016 30' Classic
Southeast
, Michigan
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,986
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mistermike
Ah, but now that an independent group is going to do honor annually to the man singularly responsible for the Airstream trailer they finally see the light and want to try to prevent them from doing it by unleashing mad-dog lawyers.
Does this action truly represent the will of the members who are in essence the club?
I think not.
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I think so. I applaud WBCCI for defending it's name and it's members. I think they were perhaps more concerned that the Birthday Bash was going to be used as the start of a competing club than they were that it was going to cause confusion about the event itself. I am sure they did not want a part of their name used for that purpose. At least that my guess, right or wrong.
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Joe
Wally Byam Caravan Club International Historian
Vintage Airstream Club Historian
WBCCI/VAC #702 & #6768
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02-11-2010, 06:27 AM
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Aluminut
2004 25' Safari
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, Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,477
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Folks in many places may say that the actions taken were not appropriate, but IMHO, as has been pointed out on other threads, any .org, corp, etc does the exact same thing. A trademark or copyrighted material is owned by the owner, not the borrower and cannot be used without permission. If you look at TOS in many forums they specifically say, you cannot post copyrighted materials or materials that you do not own without permission. Many go so far as to say if you do the forums are not responsible for it.
In the old days (pre-Internet) it was not as widely found because you had to really get out there. Today, anyone with a keyboard or mouse can post nearly anything and there are billions of folks who can access the data quickly. Same rules of the past are just as relevant to the electronic frontier.
Some may disagree, some may not but in the end, it's up to the trademark/copyright holder to make that call. Clearly WBCCI, Airstream and others have made a decision which is appropriate to them to protect their brand, regardless of motivation.
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02-11-2010, 06:48 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 28' Ambassador
1963 19' Globetrotter
1970 29' Ambassador
Waukesha
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,180
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silvertwinkie
A trademark or copyrighted material is owned by the owner, not the borrower and cannot be used without permission.
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Twink,
The logo we used is a picture of the name plate on a '55 Byam's Holiday trailer (owned by one of the attendees) which is an Airstream product and not property of the WBBCI. Also note that the name plate predates the WBCC.
The name Wally Byam Birthday Bash was chosen because the event is the celebration of the birthday of a guy named Wally Byam...duh!
All communications with attendees and prospective attendees included a prominent disclosure that this was NOT A WBCCI EVENT.
The WBCCI is defending nothing other than their ability to throw their weight around and waste the clubs money. Just more of the bullying that is turning so many people away.
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02-11-2010, 06:54 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 28' Ambassador
1963 19' Globetrotter
1970 29' Ambassador
Waukesha
, Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,180
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 66Overlander
I think they were perhaps more concerned that the Birthday Bash was going to be used as the start of a competing club than they were that it was going to cause confusion about the event itself.
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Joe,
Is this still America we live in?
Might some of us be allowed to start a club if we so choose? ...or does the WBCCI only have the right to a club that honors Wally and the Airstream product?
Please listen to what you are actually saying.
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02-11-2010, 06:56 AM
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Rivet Master
1958 30' Sovereign of the Road
Plymouth
, New York
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,776
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Waht's funny
Byam Caravanner,
Right... probably $1000 between the Save Wally letter and the Birthday Bash letter. What's funny, is that they gave us a 10 day response window, and after spending a grand, they couldn't spend the $4 to certify it (I know their bank is hurting)...
You all can track my response letter though.... at USPS - The United States Postal Service (U.S. Postal Service) - tracking number (via certified mail) - 7007 3020 0001 9446 7778
Except for posting this, I could have just as easily say, "What letter?" I never received one if I had wanted.. but no, I'm doing things the right way.
And yes, the Wally Byam Holiday will be front and center and be the center piece of the BASH weekend with it's special spot on the Wagon Wheel!
What's even more funny, a simple phone call, or email, and we probably would have said, ok, and changed it. But no, zero communication prior to the infamous letter.
Stream on!!
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02-11-2010, 07:06 AM
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#20
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Restorations done right
Commercial Member
1962 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Baltimore
, Maryland
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,545
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