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Old 07-01-2009, 03:26 PM   #401
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Good luck to all of you who choose to fight. Ed, if you don't mind me stealing your line, this is a hobby for me.

Not to get off topic, but I spend my days arguing with my Chain of Command about really common sense things....today it was trying to keep a soldier, convicted of shoplifting from the PX (Post Exchange=mini mini mini mini WalMart), from coming back into our schoolhouse. For those of who aren't familiar with me, I'm in the Military Intel field, and we have to have a clearance, in order to hold our MOS (Military Occupational Specialty=job description). Now can someone explain to me how a person convicted of shoplifting, and having lost rank because of said incident, can hold a security clearance? I was told that we have to look past that incident and look at the Total Soldier Concept.

Again, good luck to you, who choose to stay in the WBCCI and fight. I just don't have the energy anymore, especially for a hobby I use to relax.

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Old 07-01-2009, 04:33 PM   #402
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Those that criticize the leadership of the WBCCI are not responsible for the negativity—it is the leadership that brings it about. They are ultimately responsible for what they do. Silencing members, former members, and observers, will not change anything for the better. As I have said before, we were interested in the organization until we saw what the money went for; we want reform, but have no time or money to make it happen. When we see results, we will reconsider. We wish the reformers success. Paying for the present type of leadership or encouraging silence perpetuates it.

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Old 07-02-2009, 06:58 AM   #403
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Those that criticize the leadership of the WBCCI are not responsible for the negativity—it is the leadership that brings it about. They are ultimately responsible for what they do. Silencing members, former members, and observers, will not change anything for the better. As I have said before, we were interested in the organization until we saw what the money went for; we want reform, but have no time or money to make it happen. When we see results, we will reconsider. We wish the reformers success. Paying for the present type of leadership or encouraging silence perpetuates it.

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Certainly, the actions of the leadership bring on the criticism, but what I am asking is that we have a respectful debate that leads to change. I don't want anyone silenced, especially those within the organization. And, what doesn't help those of us in the fight, is statements that turn away Airstream owners who might be considering joining. Everyone needs to make up their own mind.

The WBCCI offers much to many, and many of us feel the cost is worth the benefit. Just read Rick Luhr's recent post to see people having fun at International: Man In The Maze » Blog Archive » WBCCI International Rally, Madison WI. If one doesn't find anything in the club that benefits them, then I support their decision to withdraw. For those of us that do, we will continue to enjoy the benefits, and some of us will work to achieve the necessary reforms and save the oldest RV club in the Nation. I think that's worth doing.

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Old 07-02-2009, 07:01 AM   #404
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some of us will work to achieve the necessary reforms and save the oldest RV club in the Nation. I think that's worth doing.

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Old 07-04-2009, 08:24 PM   #405
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Randy, I certainly agree with you that a respectful debate is in order, which will hopefully lead to change, however how can you have such a debate, when those who are responsible for the negativity don't want to hear what you have to say? You might as well bang your head against a wall; you'd get the same result.
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:42 PM   #406
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Old 07-05-2009, 06:40 AM   #407
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I'm with you Gene. I will sit back quietly and watch. When the few stop using the dues money of the many to benefit themselves. We might also consider joining, in the mean time we will just use what would have been dues money to camp and have fun.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:53 AM   #408
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:55 PM   #409
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Leo Garvey suspended from WBCCI for expressing his opinion. Deju Vu on who follows these threads and who do not...
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Leo G suspended from WBCCI for expressing his opinion. Deju Vu on who follows these threads and who do not...

I can't say for sure, but in terms of Leo, I though it was for more than simply stating his opinion......of course I could be wrong, as I don't really follow this all that closely.....I have a life.
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Old 09-15-2010, 08:33 PM   #411
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Some people have always felt they should have been a contender, just waiting for that special "opportunity" to give themselves some lift, year in, year out; 2008, 2010. And so it goes...

I am sue, I mean, so happy that Bob T., got reinstated, now for Leo to get reinstated.


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True but the heart and sole of Airstreamers is here.

Just look at the traffic and number of posts here, in fact would you want to post on the WBCCI forum and run the risk of getting booted?

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It was my understanding that since he did not go the hearing in Ohio and defend himself he lost the right to appeal.

To appeal to the same people is useless anyway.

What I would like to see happen here is for Bob to sue the pants off WBCCI in Federal Court for things like freedom of speech and the ramifications of what they did as it relates to the US Constitution.

Also for the interpretation of the WBCCI by laws.

How would the WBCCI defend a Federal lawsuit the average cost to defend such an action is $100,000 -$300,000 in Federal Court.

How much money was reported in the WBCCI bank account at the last International Rally.


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Old 04-29-2012, 10:05 PM   #412
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Way to much drama for me. Sounds worse than a HOA. I just wanna have fun.
I won't be joining. They did send me some nice promotional info in the mail.
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Dan, This was 2 years ago, a lot has happen since then, the drama is overrated, and there are a lot of us changing the club. Check out the Oregon Unit on facebook, Oregon Airstream living. I'm not going to try to convince you to join if you don't want to but reading this forum does not give you a true picture of the WBCCI today IMHO. We are working for change to make it better not tear it down and that takes a little longer.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:10 AM   #414
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Thanks Blue Pearl, again I started reading without checking dates. I will check out the Oregon unit.
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It's easy to do, I've done it many times myself. Each unit is different, check out the north cascades unit, great bunch of people just out camping.
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Blue Pearl, I have looked at several Facebook sites for WBCCI including the Oregon chapter and the North Cascades. It looks like you guys are having fun and thats what the experience has to be about. It looks like you guys are moving forward and doing well.
Every organization has growing and changing pains and sometimes they become so consuming that they tend to be what people identify the organization with. Getting a large group of people to agree on issues is almost impossible and often becomes toxic to everyone involved. People become polarized and defensive over positions and refuse to comprimise at all.Sound familiar, the Senate comes to mind. If fun or constructive gatherings become excercises in frustration and futility why join or continue to participate?
I would like to attend a rally this summer, become aquainted and take it from there. My expectations are that I will make some friends, have some fun and share some knowledge.
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Is this the kind of reason people don't use their real names that often here on this forum?
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Eric H, I'm not sure what you mean???????
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:23 AM   #419
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HI, I can only speak for myself. I think your partly right, but most of us simply choose Avatars that are "inside humor". 99% of the people on this forum are good as gold. Very few - as in any large group - are JFN. (just ----- nuts)

When you meet someone in person you pick up a lot of cues that don't come through on a forum like this. Some topics here DO go toxic because we forget the civility we practice face to face. And sometimes even though we know it's stupid, we poke the beehive just to watch what happens! A better choice? Here are a few responses that are great to use with mooching neighbors, adult children who live at home, and people who generally think the world revolves around them.
  • now... why do you think this is MY problem?
  • and again... this would be my problem because...?
  • you're 24... so when DO you think you should be figuring out this stuff for yourself?
  • this problem is in YOUR life. If you refuse to get professional help... why do you expect me to step in?
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Ha! Good question Dan... Yea, I was just wondering. There are a few boards that I'm a member of that require a real name. I've just always wondered if there was a reason behind the various names here (besides personal preference).
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