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Old 08-27-2008, 08:40 AM   #113
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... the actions taken against Bob were unwarranted and out of tune with what our club is supposed to be all about.
... WBCCI is worth saving.
... the focus should be at getting Bob back into the club with a letter of appology from those who suspended him. I also feel that the only way to do that is in an organized fashion which fits into the structure of what the IBT understands (bold added). We can change the process later when we are all in office. ...
Rick, I totally agree, as I am sure many do.

What do you suggest as a course of action?
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:05 AM   #114
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INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS ON WBCCI & GRIEVANCES

5. Normally the number of filed grievances in a year, even several years, is extremely small (maybe one). This is a tribute to our Members and their commitment to our ‘Code of Ethics.’ However, this year at the 2008 Bozeman International Rally, three (3) grievances were filed with the International President. The details of each grievance are still under the ‘Confidentiality’ umbrella by the Ethics and Grievance Committee and the International Executive Committee. In regards to these three grievances, each member needs to know and understand these following basic facts:

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Confidentiality, where in the bylaws is there any reference to Confidentiality, I couldn't find it.

Mr Larson can you please point to the section in the bylaws where it states that?
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:23 AM   #115
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What Action can be taken

I believe that it is incumbent upon of the IBT to take action. Members, UP, RP, have all expressed thier outrage.

They need to cease any more of the arrogant tones and saber rattling.

They need to stop disseminating misinformation about confidentiality rules that don't exist etc.

They need to back off and recognize that they exercised Poor Judgement and take full responsiblity.

The members have done what can be done without further punishing our great club

They then need to fix the problem and call off the witch hunts and stop looking for scape goats. It is the arrogance of the likes of Jim Franklin that are compromizing the stability and respect of our club and its leaders.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:34 AM   #116
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Confidentiality, where in the bylaws is there any reference to Confidentiality, I couldn't find it.

Mr Larson can you please point to the section in the bylaws where it states that?
It's kind of pointless to pose a question to Larson here because he takes part only in the WBCCI forum, not on Airforums.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:43 AM   #117
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It's kind of pointless to pose a question to Larson here because he takes part only in the WBCCI forum, not on Airforums.
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That's Mr. Franklin's loss as things are happening on Air Forums. The WBCCI Forum is a real snoozer. He must not really want to know what is going on in the club.

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Old 08-27-2008, 11:23 AM   #118
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It's kind of pointless to pose a question to Larson here because he takes part only in the WBCCI forum, not on Airforums.
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Lynn you and I have exchanged posts there I've not seen any by Jerry.
It appears he has a person parroting his points that he choses to herein.

ie: INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS ON WBCCI & GRIEVANCES

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That's Mr. Franklin's loss as things are happening on Air Forums. The WBCCI Forum is a real snoozer. He must not really want to know what is going on in the club.

Brian
Brian, he and others are absolutely reading these threads, they fear to post directly, or they are ancients that are computer illiterate perhaps.


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Old 08-27-2008, 11:31 AM   #119
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Lynn you and I have exchanged posts there I've not seen any by Jerry....
Larson's post was in a different thread on the WBCCI forum:

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I do belong to the WBCCI and have many good memories, for my family and myself. I belong to the Akron Unit, what a great bunch of people. I have been to 1 international Ralley. Dayton. I think 1999 or so. I like camping, and for me, being in the WBCCI, it has taken it to the next level. I can pay my dues, pick my vacations, and go with some of the greatest people ever. It was always hard with a demanding job and balancing 4 kids. I dont know much about the politics up top, but I dont see how you can get thrown out or suspended from a club, for simply speaking what your seeing. I personally dont want to see this club go away. The government is in the same shambles. What a mess, What a shame.
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Larson's post was in a different thread on the WBCCI forum:

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That was a canned response wherein miss-information was disseminated by the President of the club, our leader?
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That was a canned response wherein miss-information was disseminated by the President of the club, our leader?
I don't know! The message in that particular thread was the only message that Larson posted on the topic, as far as I know.

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Starting with the elementary school PTA...
to Boy Scouts,
to everything about high school,
to dysfunctional boards of University trustees,
to angry condominium board meetings...

it seems you can't get any group of people together without feelings getting hurt, egos bruised, charters and clauses being quoted, interpreted and re-interpreted, and finally big dust ups that leave people ostracized and battle lines drawn.

Like others have already said, this is a hobby. I'm pretty sure it does no one any good to get their blood pressure up over club rules, when that blood pressure could instead be headed south by spending more time Airstreaming, and less time in meetings...
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:39 PM   #124
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While, if I read Mr. Larson's response correctly, at face value it was not what Bob Thompson had to say that got him suspended, but how he said it that got him suspended. Several have agreed that he went a little too far with some of his comments, but it is agreeable that his impassioned e-mail was to point out disappointments in recent events in the administration of the club. Can we not agree that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?
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5. Normally the number of filed grievances in a year, even several years, is extremely small (maybe one). This is a tribute to our Members and their commitment to our ‘Code of Ethics.’ However, this year at the 2008 Bozeman International Rally, three (3) grievances were filed with the International President. The details of each grievance are still under the ‘Confidentiality’ umbrella by the Ethics and Grievance Committee and the International Executive Committee. In regards to these three grievances, each member needs to know and understand these following basic facts:

.......

So we know that one grievance was against Bob, one is against Leo Garvey who is the 3rd?????

Would it be the other candidate that ran from the floor????

I would really love to hear about it!!!

So someone can tell who is the 3rd one.

The confidentiality is an umbrella for those who don't want to be criticize.
Why do you think every trial is public : to make sure a fair justice is hold.

My decision is made I send tomorrow a grievance against Jim Franklin for his statement.

ENOUGH NOW.
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...Can we not agree that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?

Actually, you catch the most with fresh manure.



Seriously though, this movement needs a t-shirt and a slogan ... Hundreds of them at Madison in July.
Worn at the appropriate venue, this could actually send a message.

Maybe a flag too?

Nothing sarcastic or crude. Too easy. Also too easy to dismiss. IBT members get home, every picture has one or a dozen of those conscience nagging garish yellow shirts with "FREE BOB" on the front and back.
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