INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS ON WBCCI & GRIEVANCES
The following information is provided in regards to recent internet and email activity and to point out some basic WBCCI principles.
1. The WBCCI “Club” was formed in 1955 when its original governing documents were drafted. The Club adopted a “Bottom-Up” principle, not the typical “Top-Down” commonly found in most companies and organizations. The long-term success (53 years) of the WBCCI is a tribute to this ‘unique’ principle. Several other RV groups have used the WBCCI organization and its success to try and duplicate in their own organizations. I have been pleasantly surprised at the leadership role WBCCI has played in the RV club organizations around the world. Yes, world!
2. The foundation and basis of the WBCCI is its Units and their Members. Members have, over time, developed the current WBCCI Constitution, Bylaws, Policies, Wally Byam Creed and Code of Ethics under which we operate. The Delegates of WBCCI Units meet only once a year, usually on June 30 which is the last day of the Club’s fiscal year. Because of meeting only once a year, the Units and their Members established two governing bodies subservient to the Unit Delegates, to run the club and act on items between Delegate Meetings. These two bodies are the International Board of Trustees (IBT): (19 members of the current 12 Region Presidents and 7 International Officers) who meet 3 times a year, and the International Executive Committee (the current 7 International Officers) who meet at least 3 times a year and are available to meet any time throughout the year.
3. These two governing bodies have been assigned specific responsibilities for the limited tasks they are required/permitted to perform. One of those tasks is to establish a Standing Committee to handle possible conflicts/disagreements called ‘grievances.’ The WBCCI grievance process and its requirements are documented in the WBCCI Constitution/Bylaws under Bylaw Article V, Disciplinary Procedures, which states: “Any member may file in the office of the President of the WBCCI a complaint against any member.” A member or officer of the Club cannot take this right away from another member through any process including defamatory remarks against a member filing a complaint.
4. The President upon receiving a complaint refers it directly to the Ethics and Grievance Committee to determine the facts of the situation and make a recommendation to the International Executive Committee (NOT just the President). After its investigation, the Ethics and Grievance Committee has several recommendation options, from finding without merit, up to expulsion from the Club. Most times this Committee solves the disagreement, or finds it without merit. This is the reason for grievance “Confidentiality” by both of these committees. It is unfortunate that some members feel that a WBCCI grievance is to be discussed openly on the internet by making unfounded or uninformed accusations that cause division within the Club which is discouraging new members from becoming a part of the WBCCI.
5. Normally the number of filed grievances in a year, even several years, is extremely small (maybe one). This is a tribute to our Members and their commitment to our ‘Code of Ethics.’ However, this year at the 2008 Bozeman International Rally, three (3) grievances were filed with the International President. The details of each grievance are still under the ‘Confidentiality’ umbrella by the Ethics and Grievance Committee and the International Executive Committee. In regards to these three grievances, each member needs to know and understand these following basic facts:
A. The Ethics/Grievance and Executive Committees have acted properly and ethically following all WBCCI requirements in their required duties as defined in the Constitution/Bylaws.
B. There was absolutely NO political motive or retaliation of any kind against any of those accused.
C. Both Committees DO take into account both the filer’s and accused’s past WBCCI service in addition to their assistance in resolving the situation in a timely manner.
D. One grievance is closed and settled to the satisfaction of all concerned. You probably do not know anything about this one because all parties involved respected the confidentiality of each other and the grievance process. The other two grievances are proceeding through the normal required process.
E. The WBCCI Constitution/Bylaws do not allow, authorize, or permit the International Board of Trustees (IBT) to overturn a decision of the Unit Delegates; the International Executive Committee to overturn a decision of the Unit Delegates, or the IBT; or the International President to overturn a decision of the Unit Delegates, the IBT, or the International Executive Committee. This emphasizes the importance of the Delegates and the Unit Membership being the foundation of WBCCI and the ultimate authority of this Club.
6. You or I may/may not like what happened, the facts above, or the decisions made, but, for the Ethics/Grievance or Executive Committees to do otherwise would in itself be a violation of the WBCCI Constitution/Bylaws. For any member to have issue with a grievance, its process, or act without the facts is irresponsible and contrary to the WBCCI Constitution/Bylaws. One approved option if you do not like this process, is to change the WBCCI Constitution/Bylaws through authorized procedures. Attacking members, who have done their duty, is not an acceptable option in the WBCCI.
7. Each WBCCI Member has a right to free speech and the right to express their opinions. In fact, differing opinions are encouraged as they result in various points of view on a subject, and when solutions develop from these different opinions, a better team solution results. In contrast, a solution with only one opinion has a higher risk of being flawed due to limited input. These rights and privileges are NOT an excuse to verbally, or in writing, threaten or attack any individual with comments which are defamatory and/or hateful. Not only is this morally unacceptable, it violates what WBCCI is all about, the WBCCI Code of Ethics, and has no place in our great Club.
8. My hope is that all our members willingly respect each other, honor our Club, and be willing to help resolve any issues or perceptions that prevent our Club from growing. We all need to “Be The Best We Can Be” and work together.
Jerry Larson
WBCCI International President
On behalf of the International Executive Committee
Who is asserting the privilege of Confidentiality?
I agree with most of the sentiments expressed by President Larson.
However,
I respectfully disagree with the stated rationale for grievance confidentiality. The fact that the Ethics and Grievance Committee and/or the Executive Committee usually "solves" the disagreement or finds it without merit is hardly persuasive. Confidentiality is a privilege. Because privileges inhibit the truth seeking process they should be strictly construed. The important question here is: Who is asserting the privilege of confidentiality? Is Mr. Thompson objecting to disclosure? Does the very fact that WE know he was grieved and subsequently suspended give rise to a grievance against members of the Executive Committee and the Ethics and Grievance Committee by Mr. Thompson? What is confidential and what is not? Couldn't the accused/suspended Mr. Thompson give written authorization waiving confidentiality if he wanted to? What if Mr. Thompson failed to claim his privilege by objecting to disclosure when he had the opportunity to do so ... wouldn't this be a waiver of his privilege?
I have been a member for the last 5 years basically because I love to caravan. If it were not for caravans, I would not be a member.
I think my dues that go to WBCCI are a complete waste. I have missed the last two international rallies and I simply do not get the right kind of feeling about this organization.
Good friends count for a lot but, in the end, they can't makeup for an organization that is so out of touch.
I read Mr. Larsen's letter a couple of times. In structure and tone, it feels more like a letter from a federal agency than from the head of a social club. I'm not saying that to be critical, just making an observation. There is almost a mantra, "We followed our rules; we follow our rules; we will follow our rules."
Mr. Larsen says (a bit awkwardly), "...a solution with only one opinion has a higher risk of being flawed due to limited input." If this logic is sound and the WBCCI is a "bottom-up" organization, why is discipline handled by a small committee appointed by the president? If diversity of opinion creates better decisions, why not allow each unit (and the members at large) to appoint a representative to serve on this ad hoc group which apparently has a very light workload? Perhaps a better question, why is discipline handled by international leadership and not at the unit level? If WBCCI is a "bottom up" organization, shouldn't decision making occur as close to the membership as possible?
If diversity of opinion is valuable, why is the Air Forums seen as a negative? There's a huge diversity here. I joined before I even owned an Airstream. The simple fact of the matter is that a number of people (members and potential members) seem to be expressing concerns. Is the high water mark of the WBCCI leadership to say, "We followed our rules and if you don't like them, you can vote to change them"? What happens when the WBCCI faces issues where the answser is not in the rulebook... or where the rulebook is simply wrong?
It seems to me that the real issue here is much larger than one member's grievance.
That is EXACTLY what that means, and NO, this is not a personal dig. You guys got to see first hand what can happen to a Region 1 Past President for a 3 page email. Mere WORDS.
Since when does the lunatic fringe get to run the insane asylum? Oh, I temporarily forgot what One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest club this is.
I understand that 98% of everybody that was up there supported Bob Thompson. FANTASTIC!! I really wish that 98% had taken off their badges, handed in statements that they were withdrawing from the official WBCCI Rally at PEI, and then carried on as planned, only now in a renegade rally instead.
I'm sure the other 2% would have figured out what to do with themselves, like maybe pack up, and head home...
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Good morning Leo-
You and I have not always agreed on certain issues in the past and we will probably not agree on some in the future. What we both agree on at this moment in time is that the actions taken against Bob were unwarranted and out of tune with what our club is supposed to be all about. There are a lot of things happening around here, emails, insults, bad feelings, you name it, coming in from all directions. What you and I agree on is that WBCCI is worth saving. True, there was a time when I was ready to throw in the towel but over the past 10 months I have met more people, become familiar with some of the IBT Members and have spent hundreds of hours studying our "Blue Book". I am proud to be able to call Bob and his wife friends and was honored to be of help to him in the R1R. Currently I feel the focus should be at getting Bob back into the club with a letter of appology from those who suspended him. I also feel that the only way to do that is in an organized fashion which fits into the structure of what the IBT understands. We can change the process later when we are all in office. I encourage all WBCCI members to attend all rallies and functions and show their support of their unit and region officers. Remember Leo, we are the ones who want to help with the change and it doesn't happen overnight and it only happens with the support of the Local WBCCI Members. Just my thoughts. What this is becoming is a battle of words and interpretation and it should be a rally (pun intended) around the club and what we love about it, it's members and the love of our Airstreams, remember that is what brought us all together in the first place.
__________________ J. Rick Cipot Sandi Gould NEUNew England Unit Airstream Life Magazine WBCCI #3411 AIR #17099 2009 Silverado 2500HD 2004 22' Safari 1960 24' Tradewind
... the actions taken against Bob were unwarranted and out of tune with what our club is supposed to be all about.
... WBCCI is worth saving.
... the focus should be at getting Bob back into the club with a letter of appology from those who suspended him. I also feel that the only way to do that is in an organized fashion which fits into the structure of what the IBT understands(bold added). We can change the process later when we are all in office. ...
Rick, I totally agree, as I am sure many do.
What do you suggest as a course of action?
Thank you,
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INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS ON WBCCI & GRIEVANCES
5. Normally the number of filed grievances in a year, even several years, is extremely small (maybe one). This is a tribute to our Members and their commitment to our ‘Code of Ethics.’ However, this year at the 2008 Bozeman International Rally, three (3) grievances were filed with the International President. The details of each grievance are still under the ‘Confidentiality’ umbrella by the Ethics and Grievance Committee and the International Executive Committee. In regards to these three grievances, each member needs to know and understand these following basic facts:
.......
Jerry Larson
WBCCI International President
On behalf of the International Executive Committee
Confidentiality, where in the bylaws is there any reference to Confidentiality, I couldn't find it.
Mr Larson can you please point to the section in the bylaws where it states that?
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Bob
'77 Sovereign Intl 31' CB '07 GMC 4x4 2500HD EC 8.1 Allision six | Bedrug | Softopper
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I believe that it is incumbent upon of the IBT to take action. Members, UP, RP, have all expressed thier outrage.
They need to cease any more of the arrogant tones and saber rattling.
They need to stop disseminating misinformation about confidentiality rules that don't exist etc.
They need to back off and recognize that they exercised Poor Judgement and take full responsiblity.
The members have done what can be done without further punishing our great club
They then need to fix the problem and call off the witch hunts and stop looking for scape goats. It is the arrogance of the likes of Jim Franklin that are compromizing the stability and respect of our club and its leaders.
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Joe Colao 50th Anniversary President of Metro NY WBCCI # 30916
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It's kind of pointless to pose a question to Larson here because he takes part only in the WBCCI forum, not on Airforums.
Lynn
That's Mr. Franklin's loss as things are happening on Air Forums. The WBCCI Forum is a real snoozer. He must not really want to know what is going on in the club.
Brian
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It's kind of pointless to pose a question to Larson here because he takes part only in the WBCCI forum, not on Airforums.
Lynn
Lynn you and I have exchanged posts there I've not seen any by Jerry.
It appears he has a person parroting his points that he choses to herein.
ie: INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT’S COMMENTS ON WBCCI & GRIEVANCES
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Originally Posted by moosetags
That's Mr. Franklin's loss as things are happening on Air Forums. The WBCCI Forum is a real snoozer. He must not really want to know what is going on in the club.
Brian
Brian, he and others are absolutely reading these threads, they fear to post directly, or they are ancients that are computer illiterate perhaps.
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Bob
'77 Sovereign Intl 31' CB '07 GMC 4x4 2500HD EC 8.1 Allision six | Bedrug | Softopper
WBCCI Time's a-changing Say no to Lawrence Welk attitudes
I do belong to the WBCCI and have many good memories, for my family and myself. I belong to the Akron Unit, what a great bunch of people. I have been to 1 international Ralley. Dayton. I think 1999 or so. I like camping, and for me, being in the WBCCI, it has taken it to the next level. I can pay my dues, pick my vacations, and go with some of the greatest people ever. It was always hard with a demanding job and balancing 4 kids. I dont know much about the politics up top, but I dont see how you can get thrown out or suspended from a club, for simply speaking what your seeing. I personally dont want to see this club go away. The government is in the same shambles. What a mess, What a shame.
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