Our WBCCI/4CU membership application is going in the mail today! The many posts from WBCCI members and the interaction between AirForums/WBCCI members and the current WBCCI President gives me hope for Bob's reinstatement and for evolution of the organization to meet the needs of all members.
Congratulations and welcome! We joined after our first rally in April. Everyone we have met so far have been great and we are looking forward to meeting many more great folks during the next two rallys we are attending. We look forward to meeting you soon!
Since I'm a relatively new member of the forum, I really have a very limited basis for drawing any conclusions. What I can say is that I have participated in other Internet forums on other subjects of interest. The folks I have encountered here have been polite, helpful and friendly... moreso than other venues. I haven't noticed any of my posts disappearing so it has not been an issue... at least not for me.
For the sake of polite discussion, let us presume that because both the Air Forums and the WBCCI have leader (or moderators) that can (and apparently will) sanction some behaviors. A cardinal and a fire truck are both red... but I would suggest they are more different than alike. I would go into more detail, but it has been suggested by a hungry wife and daughter than bringing home pizza would greatly enhance my status... at least fleetingly.
Jim Franklin, IPP, Arizona Unit. I think Mr. Carson has touched upon a problem this club has been struggling with for quite a while. People on the Airstream Forum, people on the blog, they seem to be unhappy being members. They have driven away more members than what many of our membership crew has been able to obtain. I think that one of the solutions that Region Presidents and Unit Members need to look at, we need to think about quality instead of quantity. Of course everyone has freedom of speech, and we respect that, but people that continually tear down the club, or attack the Executive Board and the membership. If they have something constructive to do, I think that the board will certainly listen to it. But people that are continually tearing down the club, and being destructive, and they're unhappy,I think we need to be selective in our memberships and start looking at a way of terminating their membership and let them go find a place that they are happy.
Does this mean that I am not good enough for WBCCI because I voice my concerns?
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Our WBCCI/4CU membership application is going in the mail today! The many posts from WBCCI members and the interaction between AirForums/WBCCI members and the current WBCCI President gives me hope for Bob's reinstatement and for evolution of the organization to meet the needs of all members.
Welcome.Your getting of the porch and running with us is going to be a wild ride.Good to have you with us.Looking forward to seeing you at one of the fine rallies.
Throw the old guard for a loop. Sign up for the WBCCI and let them know you heard about it here on the Air Forums. Pick any of the more progressive groups and support them with your vote. Several accept votes via the mail.
Wouldn't that through a different light on Jim Franklin's remarks?
This morning we received the following response from Jerry Larson:
For SuEllyn and Brian,
I'm not sure why you are disappointed in the IBT over this situation as they were not involved. But, thank you for your inputs. I look forward to working together with you and all members of the Club with their varied opinions. Together we can solve anything.
Give someone a hug today, Jerry
Jerry Larson is apparently looking at his emails.
What's is THAT smell? Is it the head of a rotting FISH?
International Board of Trustees (IBT) = 12 voting Region Presidents + 9 Executive Committee members (only 7 vote) . 21 total, of which only 19 vote.
2008 Membership Directory, page 38 & page 39.
I'm wondering why Jerry didn't bother to educate you on this matter. If you were complaining about the sentence passed onto Bob Thompson, he is correct, the IBT didn't play a role in that matter. More specifically it was only a portion of the IBT, the EC7 that passed that sentence, of which JERRY is a member!
WBCCI Bylaws
Article V
Disciplinary Procedures
Sec. 2 Bylaws
Page 12
H. The Executive Committee promptly shall review the findings and the recommendation of the Ethics and Grievance Committee, and by resolution (read VOTE), shall affirm, overrule or modify the said recommendation. It shall be the duty of the Executive Committee to mail a copy of its resolution to the accused member.
If you were led to believe that a portion of the IBT, the Executive Committee portion, including the International President, had nothing to do with Bob Thompson's sentence... Then I guess you were LIED to.
Want to guess who signed the suspension letter?
Any questions?
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Jim Franklin, IPP, Arizona Unit. ...we need to think about quality instead of quantity.
Does this mean that I am not good enough for WBCCI because I voice my concerns?
That is EXACTLY what that means, and NO, this is not a personal dig. You guys got to see first hand what can happen to a Region 1 Past President for a 3 page email. Mere WORDS.
Since when does the lunatic fringe get to run the insane asylum? Oh, I temporarily forgot what One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest club this is.
I understand that 98% of everybody that was up there supported Bob Thompson. FANTASTIC!! I really wish that 98% had taken off their badges, handed in statements that they were withdrawing from the official WBCCI Rally at PEI, and then carried on as planned, only now in a renegade rally instead.
I'm sure the other 2% would have figured out what to do with themselves, like maybe pack up, and head home...
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You are asking questions that unfortunately with the current WBCCI Policy in
regards to confidentiality of grievances your request can not be granted. To
do so would be reason enough for any involved with this grievance to file
one against me for this violation.
Regards, Jerry
Jerome (Jerry) Larson
International President
WBCCI, the Airstream RV Association
803 E. Pike Street
P.O. Box 612
Jackson Center, OH 45334
Thank you for responding to my email so quickly. It is indeed
appreciated. If you could please direct me to the current WBCCI
Policy you refer to regarding confidentiality of grievances I would
appreciate it.
Don,
Good question. The answer is: that it has been an unwritten
'standard operating procedure' and 'common respect for an
individual's privacy' since I can not find when. Cindy Reed, our
Corporate Manager is on vacation this week. I will ask her the same
question upon her return and let you know if she has any additional
information on this.
When asked the same question of the Ethics/Grievance Committee they
had the same response and that there is a move afoot to bring forth
some recommended administrative updates to the "Disciplinary
Procedures" Article V of the Bylaws.
Regards, Jerry
Jerome (Jerry) Larson
International President
WBCCI, the Airstream RV Association
803 E. Pike Street
P.O. Box 612
Jackson Center, OH 45334
I'm quite sure that when Mrs. Reed returns she will also say, "This how we've always done things." Unfortunately, this policy has the (intended or unintended) effect of being nothing more than a "gag" order. Such a policy in a case of such widespread concern to our club is simply unjustifiable without a hearing and without any findings of fact. No persuasive justification has been advanced that would prohibit laying out the facts to the membership.
Even if there can be articulated a compelling interest in keeping certain information confidential, either to assure a fair trial or to protect privacy, far more justification than 'standard operating procedure' and 'common respect for an individual's privacy' is necessary to show that such a categorical, permanent prohibition against publishing relevant and material information to the membership will serve that interest, if indeed ANY justification would suffice to sustain a permanent order.
Moreover, insofar as the interest was in shielding the parties from pressure during the course of Mr. Thompson's disciplinary hearing, so as to insure that he had a fair trial, that interest became attenuated after the Executive Committee declared its verdict suspending Mr. Thompson.
Justification must be adduced on a case-by-case basis, with ALL interested parties given an opportunity to participate, and less restrictive alternatives must be adopted if at all feasible. The membership's right to access to the information I requested is especially strong here due to the extraordinary member interest in knowing what acts may have the consequence of suspension or expulsion.
By your answer to my question President Larson, it is clear that no sections of the WBCCI Constitution, Bylaws, Policy or Code of Ethics even need to be disturbed to implement this experiment in openness that we all know will succeed. Administrative updates to the "Disciplinary Procedures" in Article V of the Bylaws are not important now. A courageous and visionary leadership should be able to make this happen relatively quickly. A bold administration that embraces accountability and transparency deserves high praise for putting the interests of the club and the membership above 'standard operating procedure.'
I'm absolutely shocked to hear that they will address and modify the current procedures when I know that NO ONE was willing to address and CREATE club International Election Procedures.
See what kind of attention you can get when YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT ONE OF YOUR OWN!? The Ol' Boyz Club -- through and through...
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IP Jerry Larson has posted information on the Grievance Process on the WBCCI Forum. It makes interesting reading. He offers a couple of thoughts on the process of change and on constructive sharing of opinions. You may want to take a look.
He DID respond. He did not discuss any specifics. He does not appear to recognize the public nature of disciplinary action against club officers and the need for formal communication with club members (or at least impacted Region members).
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