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Old 06-29-2009, 10:43 PM   #43
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I'm glad to see you back and swinging. Keep your guard up.
Second is the observed part.
I belong to a very old fraternity. It too suffered from being very conservative to a degree. We missed young men joining our ranks, mostly from the Vietnam WAR and not wanting to be part of any organizarion. We lost two or three generations of men due to this. However in the last few years, our membership being the average age of 65 or better realised that change was necessary to survive. Even more it was realised that when the fraternity was strong the men of the present was running it.
We had a few younger men knock on our door each year. Then came the first Desert Storm and the desire for the young men to be a member of an old organization, something bigger than they were. Then the second Desert Storm and more from the first war started showing up in even heaver numbers. Those of us older members realised as stated before that when the organization was flourshing the men of the time were running it. The elders gave advice in sticky situations. A couple of chrasmatic men joined and the flood gates opened. We went from 3 to 5 new members a year to 12 to 15 men wanting to join a year. We, the older ones realising the above situations and stepped back. It is once again a meeting place of popularity. The old rules are still in place and are followed to the SPIRIT, but we have come to realise that the old rules are vague enough to allow vitality and growth. The new guard is in their thirtys, the rest of us are in our late fifties AND MUCH OLDER and are feeling younger and revitalized by the mew bloods enthausim (yea I know its mispelled) but the change,... I have been moved.
I am new to the organizaton. I have had my Airstream only a couple of years. But I realise that Wally was about camping and organization. You needed the organization to accomplish the wonderful things (caravans etc) not I think the organization for the organizations sake.
Once upon a time a man had a job from his twentys to retirement. Those days are gone, so are a lot of things, however, the WBCCI can flourish again with the needs of the younger couples in mind.
I look forward with great anticipation going to the Wilder West Caravan, I just hope it is still offered when I retire, and other things, seeing this country as part of a caravan or not. The WBCCI has wonderful things to offer, they just need not to get caught so much in the nit picking details and remeber the root pholosiphy (yea I blew that one too).
By the way, the time is way off as I am in Mountain Standard Time instead of Eastern Standard Time as usual (8:40 PM)
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:59 AM   #44
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Some really good posts from doug&maggie, dscluchfc (that's a mouthfull), Lothlorian and beginner (we ought to get him spelling lessons).

I have been involved in many organizations—some got things done, others got stuck in the past and destroyed themselves. One in particular comes to mind. I spent more than 5 years working to straighten things out, modernize procedures, help get the financial side in order, and encourage looking forward as well as taking care of the present. But the old timers just kept getting older and couldn't hear that the world was changing. If anyone new came along, they didn't stay long. When I resigned from the board, after trying trying to explain the internet's impact and how they had to grasp the opportunity, I told the board "I am old and I'm setting an example by resigning so there's space for a younger person". They missed that one and since I was also a officer as well as a board member, I was replaced by an older person as vp. The experiments with a more active internet presence ended, money is very tight and membership continues to drop. One constituent organization has withdraw from the organization and another seems to have disappeared. It is sad because this is an organization that had some major successes, but is now unraveling.

I admire the people in the WBCCI who are trying to reform and advance the organization. I, in reading these threads for some time now, can't see they have accomplished anything, but maybe it's behind the scenes. From outside it looks like I'm watching the Guardian Council hold onto power in a self perpetuating oligarchy. The bosses select their successors and choose the same type of people who do the same things. Anyone new is blocked by a tangle of rules and costs set forth in the mysterious bible, the "blue book". It has the fascination of watching a train wreck in slow motion, but after a while, you want to see the final crash and explosion, but in this case, the wreck just keeps going on and on and on. That gets boring.

It seems there are elections in a few days. I don't understand how they work, but it appears they are made to look democratic, but aren't. Maybe something will change and I suppose we'll find out in a while. While all this goes on, the rest of the Airstream world keeps moving on and the WBCCI is getting left in the dust. Even Airstream itself, a company which sometimes seems to be living in the past, is starting to have a presence on the Forum. The Forum may be where the energy is shifting now, but it's not democratic and the rules are vague, so it carries it's own seeds of destruction. The Forum's energy is solely that of the characters who post on it and they make it whatever it is. I wonder what comes after the Forum?

Yes, it's time to go camping.

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Old 06-30-2009, 09:21 AM   #45
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2020 Committee

It is real easy to take swipes at the WBCCI. There have been a series of bonehead moves made by the IBT over the past few years. It is worth noting the good work that the 2020 Committee is doing. Have any of you dissenters actually read the position paper they drafted for the mid-winter meetings? see http://wbcci2.org/NewDirections2020.pdf

There are some really good ideas presented in this doc. Hopefully the WBCCI is not as adrift as some of you would think. I am still twenty years away from Caravanning. I really hope the club exists once it is my turn to hit the road. As I have stated previously - being a member of the WBCCI has enabled me to camp in places I would not otherwise have access to -- Rogers Farm, Grovers Farm, West Point, and Ft Schuyler, to name a few. The club has introduced me to people I call good friends. Oh...and I met my girlfriend at a WBCCI Rally -- totally unexpected.

For me the club just gives and gives. I enjoy volunteering my time to the WBCCI and giving back where I can.

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Old 06-30-2009, 11:28 AM   #46
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Yep, I not only have read the 2020 Reprt and all of the surveys and comments, but I no members of the 2020 Committee on a personall basis. They worked hard on the 2020 Report, but the problem is that the current leadership has given only lip service to it. (My opinion, of course) For example the Club President stated at the Sarsota Rally that seven or eight items had been addressed, but has failed to tell us members what those action items were and as far as I can tell nothing happened. Requests from the membership for more details and all we get is that the leaders have don x number of actions y number of things being worked on , etc. but no detairs. As a saying goes, "where is the meat?"

So perhaps you can inform me as to what the leadership has actually done in reference to the 3030 Com wonderful report and recomendations.
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:02 PM   #47
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So perhaps you can inform me as to what the leadership has actually done in reference to the 3030 Com wonderful report and recomendations.
No more Teen Queen contest?

Bob, my reply was not directed towards you. I wrote it more to inform the people who must sh*t on the club that efforts are being made to fix what ails it.
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:18 PM   #48
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I wrote it more to inform the people who must sh*t on the club that efforts are being made to fix what ails it.
I wonder who you do mean?

When we heard about the WBCCI, we thought that sounds like something we might want to join. Then I started reading about the internecine quarrels, declining membership, etc., and thought "why would we want to get involved in that, or give that type of leadership our money?"

I hope you get it reformed. Then we'll reconsider.

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We second Gene's motion. Make the changes, let us see them in place, then we will consider joining.
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No more Teen Queen contest?

Bob, my reply was not directed towards you. I wrote it more to inform the people who must sh*t on the club that efforts are being made to fix what ails it.
It is understood that you are a good person and it is hoped you will partake in unit and regional activities as well as caravans.

The Club is going through a problem time but it will hopefully survive with better leadeership oriented towards camping and fun rallies and lots of fellowship,
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:19 PM   #51
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Bob,

I've followed your "adventure" for quite some time now...I think it's been a couple years now, right? I'm glad to see that you were reinstated with no lost time.

Leo,

I honestly don't know how you manage to keep fighting the way you do. Sorry I jumped ship, right after you started the Save Wally website...being in the Army keeps me all-consumed. The good news is that I was promoted to Sergeant First Class this year....woo hoo!!!

As a former member of the WBCCI, and a younger man of 35 (soon to be 36), the last thing I want to do, when I'm going camping with family and friends, is mandatorily attend a meeting and dealing with close-minded fuddy duddies who fart dust and have no time for opinions from us young whipper snappers...no offense to the elderly meant at all but, rather, to the stick-in-the-mud good ole boy board members who think it their right to rule with absolute power and not listen to the underlings, ie: the IBT I saw at the IR in Salem in '06.

The last time I checked, the WBCCI was supposed to be a Democracy, not a corrupt dictatorship, which is what the IBT is, in my opinion.

Until the IBT realizes that it will not survive, unless something is done NOW, and not 2020, their membership will keep dwindling, both from the elderly members taking their final camping trip and the disgusted members who just want to have fun.

Brooke and I had a blast with the WDCU, when we lived in Maryland. Even though the Cherry Blossom Rally in '06 was soaking wet almost all weekend, we had fun. To me, it was camping at its finest and making new friends, like Star and Peter Grover, and Rob and Zoe, and Colin....wonderful people. The IBT should take note from the WDCU's model and consider adopting it.

I'll keep being a renegade Airstreamer, until something changes.
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:12 PM   #52
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...the last thing I want to do, when I'm going camping with family and friends, is mandatorily attend a meeting and dealing with close-minded fuddy duddies who fart dust and have no time for opinions from us young whipper snappers...
Who forced you to attend a meeting? In 6 years as a member, I've never been "forced" to do anything by the wbcci.
except...have a good time, whether I wanted to, or not.

How many times do we have to say it? YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THIS to be involved w/ the wbcci, if you don't want to. All I ever do is just what you all say you want: get together w/ airstreaming friends and have a good time camping. Thats it.
The only reason I'm even reading this thread is because Bob is a member of my unit. I know Bob. I've camped with Bob. Bob is a friend of mine. And let me tell you something--you're no "Bob Thompson"!
(Ok, that last part was just a little joke ;-)
But seriously: If this had happened to the Region 27 president, instead of the Region 1 president, I would very much be "{shrug} um...yeah. whatever. When's the next rally?!"
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... YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THIS to be involved w/ the wbcci, if you don't want to. ..."
True enough ... except the dues. We pay money for dues, and increasingly it seems that the leadership are using dues money to enjoy perquisites not consistent with a corporation shelling off members and spitting up red ink. The candidates are selected by the EC, the media is controlled by the EC. Can you get a new idea or candidate in there? Not easily. Do we need new blood and new ideas in there? Desperately.
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I'm with Dave on this one. All clubs are what you make of them. For me the WBCCI has been great. Maybe I'm just fortunate to have a great unit. Yeah, there gettin older, so am I, some members drop out each year. But I've never felt any of this stuff that goes on at the international level. I send in my coupon,show up, drink beer with friends of all ages. and enjoy life for the weekend. See you down the road, George.
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Chuck,

I was given a membership to the DVNJ Chapter as a "gift" for dropping too much money on the refurbishestoration (yeah, figure that one out) of our Sovereign. I went to the the Turkey Rally in '05 and had never been to a single WBCCI event before in my life. Sherri had just died, and the kids and I needed a distraction, so we went.

Again, no offense to the older folks, but I think I was the only person under 55 there (I was 32 at the time), so I had noone to relate to, and there were very few kids there the same age as my children...grandkids that had been dropped off with Grandma and Grandpa.

When it came time for the meeting, I was told that I had to attend, since it coincided with dinner. The meeting was about as boring as could be, and that clued me in that this wasn't what I had thought it was going to be. I can do without rules, when I'm camping, unless it's the courtesy rules, i.e., keep your animal on a leash, clean up their poo, don't make loud noise after 1000, etc...

The International Rally in Salem cemented my belief that the WBCCI was not for me. The idea that changing an organization's name, which had been in existence for decades, would make it better and increase membership was, is and ever shall be (to me) preposterous, and the manner in which that meeting was conducted was ludicrous.

I cannot, and will not in good conscience, pay dues to an organization that misuses those funds and tells me what I can and cannot do in said organization. Kudos to all the Chapters who do their own thing and disregard the Blue Book, but ask yourselves this: If you joined the Club, aren't you expected to abide by their rules? If I don't agree with the rules, I leave...I don't need to belong to a club to enjoy myself and drink a toast to the genius who invented my rig.

Good luck overthrowing the regime, so you can change those crappy rules...just like RedSHED said in not so many words, seems like the Good Ole Boys are cemented in their places, trading out amongst themselves every so often.

So what's the point to being in the club then? If you are out doing your thing with your friends in your Airstreams together, why in the heck are you in the WBCCI???? If you can't change their rules, and not for lack of trying, without getting sanctioned, censured or even thrown out, then leave and have fun with your friends and family without the rules.

I, for one, wear a beret everyday and it's crappy. It doesn't keep the sun out of your eyes, when it rains it smells like a sheep and it makes look like a Frenchman....great.....just what I wanted.

Chuck, I truly didn't mean to get you ruffled, and I apologize if I did. I am just relaying my experiences. If it seems like I've been rambling, I probably am....I've been up since 0400 and working an extra shift for another soldier, sorry.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:34 AM   #56
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Here I Sit!!!

So here I sit at the 2009 International Rally in Madison WI...................

HAVING A BLAST (again, #10 now)

This is what the club is about, nice grass site, great weather, good people, and a meeting to go to when I want to.


Couple of notes on the International, the seminars that they have set are some of the best I have seen in some time, those that set those up, they did a great job!

The VAC parking as always is great, 60 + coaches here and it great to see old WBCCI vintage members ( and non vintage as well!)

Most of all NO ONE has tried to shove politics down my throat this week.


Just a good time with good people.


Get out and pull your trailer, that's what the club is about.
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