It would seem to me that everyone's position and opinion have been stated and restated, ad nauseum. The continuation of this fray is inexplicable, in my opinion, other than in the context of people simply liking to fight.
This issue is DARN NEAR A YEAR OLD and ancient history by now. How about letting sleeping dogs lie?
It was very nice of Nuvite to apologize. As for the above statement, there is no statute of limitations on an apology. If a person has been wronged, they are owed an apology. Period. This is a moral obligation which is not obviated by time, distance, bureaucractic rules or organizational blame shifting.
I have no interest in the inner workings of the WBCCI. I don't know if Bob Thompson feels owed an apology. Here's the thing... until he gets one, there's a possibility people will keep talking. And while this might seem to serve no purpose, it does. Societies and culture enforce moral norms in two ways: admiration and shame. We generally embrace people who "do good." We generally shun people who "do bad." I understand this will provoke people who think we wrongly celebrate celebrity, etc., but consider this. What generally is the most common reaction to hitting a child in public? To telling a racist or sexist or homophobic joke? To leering or whistling at a woman? Actions that were socially acceptable 50 years ago are not socially acceptable now. It's not that we passed a law... mores changed and were enforced through admiration and/or shame.
Talking about someone (or an organization) that hasn't apologized is a form of social sanction. Reputation suffers. While admittedly an imperfect process, this is what makes civil society "civil." And if people "go on" to the point where the reaction to a perceived slight seems overwrought, well, then society sanctions those people for "not getting over it."
This clearly says that the Hearing Board (it’s Hearing Board, not Appeals Committee, by the way) . . . “can affirm, overturn, or modify any judgment previously taken on the complaint”.
Nor do I see anyplace where it says that the Hearing Board can order anything published by anybody. Do you?
When the Hearing Board (that's not how their ruling was signed [semantics?]) found the actions taken by the EC7 to be so egregious, I beileve they had full rights to reverse and modify what had been done in an attempt to make it right, and that included the instructions for the findings (including the apology to ALL members) to be published. The EC7, or possibly the IP, chose to ignore those instructions? That was part and parcel to making this right...
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Leo, do you think a few thousand emails and phone calls raising hell about Bob Thompson’s suspension, might, just might have made the Ethics and Grievance Committee and the EC7 a bit more cautious in dealing with the grievance against you? I kinda think so.
Granted, the fact that your written filing came on the letterhead of some ogre law firm ready and willing to rip out WBCCI’s living guts undoubtedly had a good bit to do with it. Fortunately, your lawyers are already up to speed on WBCCI so they’re undoubtedly ready to roll the Panzers on a moment’s notice against this year’s grievance. I’ll keep an eye out for a column of tanks heading across I-70 for Jackson Center.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. There are very few that saw my response to the EGC, and it was not on an attorney's letterhead. All of that effort from the membership might have held some weight with the EGC and the EC7, and heavily influenced by Bob T's reversal, but it never got that far, it was dismissed purely on a technicality, black and white -- zero shades of gray, no room to budge -- seriously... The proverbial rock and a hard place -- it was stuck and nobody could free it - dismissed...
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Originally Posted by Nuvite-F
Frankly, I’m getting mighty tired of endlessly hearing about this and every other bit of WBCCI petty politics. I haven’t decided yet whether to delete my bookmark for Airforums, let my WBCCI membership lapse, or both.
You shouldn't be headed anywhere but out to have some fun. Even I tune some of this stuff out (not much though) when it goes way out into deep left field. It takes quite a bit to bring me back...
But if you want to get the hair up on the back of your neck, start thinking about more than $200,000.00 of the club's liquid assets being flushed down the toilet over the past two years and the upcoming year, by poor decisions, and lack of action. It's easy for people to get upset about a name change, non-Airstreams (for membership), even grievances. But tell somebody that our finances are leaking like a sieve and there aren't many that even raise an eyebrow. Likely the most serious issue this club will ever face -- dissolitution if the members don't get their heads out of the sand real quick, and demand that the budget be balanced at the leadership's expense, not the membership's expense (even higher dues), or the club's expense (HQs and services cuts).
I keep hearing how the EC7 are out selling the WBCCI with their ~$45K -- selling the WBCCI to the membership? Huh? What?
Reimburse them for two trips to the International Rally. The initial trip, and to attend, cancel the Mid-Winters (what a $17K reimbursed WASTE) and you'll reclaim ~$47K (guessing) right there... Just $34K more to go (for a balanced budget). I know where there's another $2K, and had I gotten elected, yet another $2K...
Hey -- there's always 2010, and I'm already a declared candidate for INC in '10. Members need a choice first and foremost -- what they do with that choice is up to them. The end is near...
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This issue is DARN NEAR A YEAR OLD and ancient history by now. How about letting sleeping dogs lie?
Jerry Larson isn't president of the WBCCI any more. Perhaps you heard the WBCCI just had an International Rally and installed new officers. (The International also gave people who are inclined to bitch a whole new set of issues to bitch about.)
And finally, the Hearing Board had the authority to uphold or reverse Bob Thompson's suspension, but aside from that, NO AUTHORITY TO ORDER ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING.
To briefly review these year-old issues, a WBCCI past president filed grievances against Bob Thompson, Region 1 President and Leo G arvey, Metro NY Unit President, for what most perceived to be political reasons.
The Ethics and Grievance committee suspended Bob Thompson and this set off a firestorm of protests from the membership. Realizing the disciplinary action was a mistake, then-WBCCI president Jerry Larson, in what I think was a statesmanlike move, appointed a Hearing Board of three trustees who could be expected to overturn the suspension, which they did.
Section 4 of the Bylaws gives the Hearing Board this power, and no other. I think it was nice of the Hearing Board to include an apology in their written opinion, but they had no authority to order it be published or anything else.
Chastened by the Bob Thompson outcome, the Ethics and Grievance committee wisely decided to dismiss the grievance against Leo G arvey, and at that point the case was closed.
So this whole Bob Thompson--No Apology thread has never had any legal or factual basis, and it's time to lay it to rest.
Actually it needs to continue until the apologists' for the power structure stop making excuses for the bad manners of others. This was and is part of an ongoing struggle.
Charter One: New England Unit (Region 1) officers denied admission to International in Georgia because of the campaigning of a few well placed individual members. Some no doubt jealous of the success of the NEU.
Charter Two: Bob Thompson suspended just as the Region 1 rally, which he put together, was getting started in PEI. He is a NEU member.
Charter Three: The VAC's recent actions at International on behalf of the IBT, the treatment of the WDCU and Mr Baker. Another "too" successful unit.
The forum makes public what the "leadership" wants behind closed doors.
2.And finally, the Hearing Board had the authority to uphold or reverse Bob Thompson's suspension, but aside from that, NO AUTHORITY TO ORDER ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING.
Section 4 of the Bylaws gives the Hearing Board this power, and no other. I think it was nice of the Hearing Board to include an apology in their written opinion, but they had no authority to order it be published or anything else.
Wrong!!!
Sec. 4. F. Upon conclusion of any such hearing, the hearing board, by resolution, shall render a judgmentin writing based upon the written record and upon the evidence presented to it at such hearing. Such judgment may affirm, overrule or modify any judgment previously taken on the complaint and any such judgment so rendered shall be final and conclusive.
Thus the Appeals Board did in fact have full authority to order it's Judgment to be Published in the BB. Also read the fine print in the RONR and it Supports the Boards action and decisions (Judgment).
So this whole Bob Thompson--No Apology thread has never had any legal or factual basis, and it's time to lay it to rest.
If you are an attorney, go back to law school, if not don’t attempt to practice law with a license. As to the facts, it is suggested you read the other Bob Thompson thread or read SaveWally.org on the same subject. Bob is only part of the story. There are others and the problem continues.
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