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Old 01-21-2005, 01:31 AM   #15
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..and for those young at heart and don't have a bic lighter and really are amazed at "gacious anomolies" then here you are - just little 3 inch lenghts produced these beautiful fire dance! I could just imagine what a 2 inch dia pipe and rubber hose would look like.

Enjoy the show.

As far as I have been told - the copper stops the rubber hose from burning in a split second allowing certain gasses to form which normally would not at core temps. The gasses escape through the crimped ends into the flame to creat some pretty neat colours.

It is a GREAT TIP!!!! but we too found out before the tip arrived in the Blue Beret.
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Old 01-21-2005, 08:01 AM   #16
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Mandolindave is right. I hate to be a spoilsport, but this is a really irresponsible practice.

Most garden hoses are made of PVC (polyvinyl chloride). Burning PVC releases dioxin, a highly toxic chemical and a known carcinogen. It can also form hydrochloric acid in your lungs should you inhale the gases. That pretty flame is a sign of illegal and dangerous practice -- for you, your guests around the campfire, and the environment.

For more info: http://www.state.me.us/dep/air/backburn.htm#5 or
http://www.healthybuilding.net/pvc/T...VCSummary.html

"Many people do not know the dangers of burning PVC. Burning of PVC produces hydrogen chloride gas in the smoke as well as dioxins and chlorinated furans, two of the most toxic cancer-causing substances known."
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Old 01-21-2005, 08:08 AM   #17
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I wasn't aware that there was garden hose attached to it. Being the ususal Midwest Rally pyro and fire tender, I thought all we did was place the copper pipe in the fire.

I'd have to agree with the concern about burning garden hose.
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Old 01-21-2005, 08:36 AM   #18
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I hate to be a spoilsport, but this is a really irresponsible practice.
Most garden hoses are made of PVC (polyvinyl chloride). Burning PVC releases dioxin, a highly toxic chemical and a known carcinogen. It can also form hydrochloric acid in your lungs should you inhale the gases. That pretty flame is a sign of illegal and dangerous practice -- for you, your guests around the campfire, and the environment.
Hmm, sounds like smoking pot to me. Illegal, not necessarily very healthy, packed with cancer causing carcinogens..........and any time there are more than a few people standing around a fire is typically a sign of illegal activity Hmmm, where is the next campfire at?

No kidding, here where I work, an employee failed a drug screen. His story, "I was standing too close to the campfire and must have accidently inhaled some second hand smoke" TRUE STORY!

By the way, who invited the cops?
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Old 01-21-2005, 09:37 AM   #19
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I hate to be a spoilsport, but this is a really irresponsible practice....... releases dioxin, a highly toxic chemical and a known carcinogen. It can also form hydrochloric acid in your lungs should you inhale the gases.
Oh pooh is there anything on this earth we humans do that does not cause cancer!@@***

All our toys, that have engines, all the tires we dump into landfill all the oils and gasses we burn at home all have exhaust....

Everything we make to eat these days...even the fabric we wear...THAT's it we may as well pack it in!

(Rluhr - - We figured the same response re the rubber hose! - thus we just did a small fire with two little 2 in 1/2 inch pipes ...peace officer.... )

But is sure is PRETTY! - Like fireworks (hmm I wonder if they are banned yet)
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Old 01-21-2005, 12:35 PM   #20
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You know. If you stay away from everything that causes or might cause cancer or other illness, and only eat organic food, and exercise every day. Then some day you will die anyway. True Story. Sometimes I think it's just a question of how long you'll be in the nursing home from being so healthy.

R's ref is about "Household burn barrels,woodstoves and on-site incinerators produce low temperature fires. They receive very little oxygen and produce a lot of smoke. Under these conditions a great many toxic substances are produced" In Connecticut burn barrels are illegal for anything and is burning trash in most states. So make sure your Rally fire is big and hot.
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Old 01-21-2005, 12:45 PM   #21
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fire dance

pictures are gorgeous. We have tried to make the colors in the fire too, but your pictures really show it off well. Too bad the Blue Beret didn't have a copy of one of those to include with the tip. BTW the members seem to enjoy a long life, they must only warm up their backsides at the fire instead of putting their heads into it.




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..and for those young at heart and don't have a bic lighter and really are amazed at "gacious anomolies" then here you are - just little 3 inch lenghts produced these beautiful fire dance! I could just imagine what a 2 inch dia pipe and rubber hose would look like.

Enjoy the show.

As far as I have been told - the copper stops the rubber hose from burning in a split second allowing certain gasses to form which normally would not at core temps. The gasses escape through the crimped ends into the flame to creat some pretty neat colours.

It is a GREAT TIP!!!! but we too found out before the tip arrived in the Blue Beret.
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Skating party tonight at my house...this looks pretty cool and would give our bonfire a nice touch. Can any of you tell me....would regular exhaust hose or rubber radiator hose work instead of the garden hose ?? Thanks!
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It's true....I am fouling the planet with my motor car. But I am going to keep
trying to foul it up as little as possible. I can do with out colored fire.
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Old 01-21-2005, 03:16 PM   #24
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Colours great..

Sharon.. we did so enjoy the campfire and I don't recall inhaling any smoke .. I have to agree with Sharon on her post.. we may as well live in a bubble.. second hand smoke will kill for sure.. lets start there.. keeping our children and grandkids free from this.. Annie
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Old 01-21-2005, 03:27 PM   #25
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I wonder if TIN HUT's pyrotechiques can cause cancer. Have you gotten your Colostomy yet?
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And cows out gassing have been determined to add to global warming, now who paid for that research and what are we going to do about it. BTW I use rubber hose not PVC

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Still, I don't think I want to hangout too close to burning rubber hoses, even if they are encased in copper tubing. After all, I go camping to get away from my neighbors and their stinky burn piles, no point in subjecting myself to anymore than I have to!

Aren't there presto-logs that burn in pretty colors? I wonder how those work. Come to think of it I haven't seen those for a long time, maybe they don't make them anymore.
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