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Old 02-09-2004, 11:23 PM   #99
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Ken,

"Changing the name does not change the engine or the structure." Again, how does it benefit the club to continue to use Byam's image and name? Can you at least consider that the Club's seeming adoration of Byam might be keeping some potential members away, or that it might make some members uncomfortable? You say that Ford wouldn't change its name, but that is the name on their product. The name on the product we use is Airstream, and ownership of an Airstream is a requirement to belong to the Club (as it should be). So, why insist on sticking with a name that few people, outside of the Club, associate with Airstream?

At one time Byam's fame and leadership were what made the club, and it is easy to see why, while he was still alive, the Club decided to name itself after him. At the time his name did benefit the club because the public associated his name with the product. However, Byam has been dead for 42 years. Few RV owners, and fewer potential RV owners know or care about who or what Wally Byam was.

The idea for making an intraclub named the Wally Byam Caravan Club is a good idea. Here's why. The vast majority of Club activities are rallies not caravans. Caravaning may well be a special interest activity. Members who only have a weekend available will attend a rally, but caravaning usually takes up considerable more time and participation. By having an intraclub that is called the Wally Byam Caravan Club we can continue to memorialize Byam. By taking his name out of the International club we can remove him as being the focus of the International. The intraclub WBCC can continue to rally around his birthday, if they want, freeing the International for other dates so that a wider membership can attend.

Someone mentioned that perhaps we should change the topic to religion or politics, as if that would be less controversial. Well, perhaps we have been talking religion and politics all along.

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Old 02-09-2004, 11:30 PM   #100
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Did any of that make sense? I hope so.
Ron,

Wow, great post. And you made sense to me. But others? (put your flame suit on.)

I have to wonder how many Airstreamers in thier 20's & 30's would be members of WBCCI if it weren't for VAC. I shudder to think. Porky has it right, VAC members will save WBCCI.

We should organize a AirstreamForum International Rally. 3 days max, no berets, no flag ceremony, no numbers, get your own reservation.
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Old 02-09-2004, 11:32 PM   #101
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The idea for making an intraclub named the Wally Byam Caravan Club is a good idea.
Thank you .. well, that's two votes.

Actually, you did a good job summing up what I was trying say. Thanks.


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Someone mentioned that perhaps we should change the topic to religion or politics, as if that would be less controversial.
Me again. But I was kidding!
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Old 02-10-2004, 04:44 AM   #102
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Tin Hut --I could go along with your idea of the new style hat & perhaps add to that a bright blue toga, with an A/S pictured on the back. We could also put on some wooden shoes, along with striped knee lenght socks & make "Merrily we roll along", our offical A/S song to sing around our campfire. WOW !
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LOL! How did I miss this on the first pass? As twisted as it sounds, if enough followed this suggestion... immediate change in the WBCCI! LOL!
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Old 02-10-2004, 06:48 AM   #103
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I am good with an intraclub named Wally---- that is specific to caravanning. I would go with the majority on the issue.

but, name of product, (club) is WBCCI.

Name of RV (not club) is Airstream, they have maintained their name from the beginning just as the WBCCI has.

Ford, makes Escorts, Econolines, Explorers, Excursions etc....

As Airstream makes Overlanders, Excella, Sovereign, etc.....

Apples and Oranges when you imply that WBCCI makes Airstreams. WBCCI does implement and govern Caravan adventures and rally events.

I am really open to events that are targeted at working Airstreamers, just as I have gone as far as approaching WBCCI and writing an article aimed at just that, "Still Working". The articles will be in BB's to come and they are all aimed at folks that are Still Working. Issues like children at rallies, affording and restoring a vintage AS due to affordability, the constraints involved with employment and attending major rallies.

I have been thinking of the same issues that are presented here for a long time. I am actively making the effort to take those opinions to the WBCCI. Do I benefit from that? Absolutely! Do others? Hopefully.
That is why I have literally solicited members of this forum to do the same.

We have had many Airstreamers open their minds and give it a shot. Were they all satisfied, no. Were some satisfied, yes.

There is no one here forcing anything on anyone. There is some one here saying that it can be what you make of it.

I do not stand alone on this issue, as many of you stand together on the position it is not for you. As I have always said, I am okay with that. I will continue to solicit new members and I will continue to make the WBCCI the best I can. Above all, I am an Airstreamer too. I am just like you!

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Old 02-10-2004, 09:07 AM   #104
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Ok, I got my BB last night in the mail (undamaged, fwiw). Nice article, Ken.

But as for the survey, and the subject of "change" to attract/retain younger members, I only have 3 words:


Country Bootes Randolph




and they need to have a survey ???


(ok, for those of you who aren't wbcci members, and have no idea what I'm talking about: it was announced in the latest BB that Bootes Randolph is performing at the international. Woo HOO!!! for those of you who don't know who "Bootes Randolph" is, he is a really really bad saxophonist, who play absolutely the MOST hokey crap you've ever heard. Geritol all the way. my 90 year-old grandmother, who watches re-runs of Lawrence Welk religiously, thinks he's outdated and hokey!!).

Ok, so I wouldn't suggest that they try and hire "P-Ditty", (or whatever he's calling himself this week), or Janet Jackson; either would be equally as poor a choice as "Bootes"; same reason, opposite direction. But you couldn't do anything to more thoroughly market WBCCI as "THE OLD FOGEY CLUB" than to book such an act as "Bootes".

Off the top of my head, I couldn't think of a better choice, myself, but if it was my job to do so, I'm sure I could come up with something that had just a teeny tiny bit more broad appeal. Not that it matters; I'm not attending the interational this year, anyway, no matter who they book for a musical act. Why? because I have to work for a living, like Ken, and most of the rest of us that post here. I only "visited" last year, because it just happened to be held "in town", so to speak. but that isn't really the point.

As for the other stuff that we keep hashing around over and over and over again...I'm looking forward to my local unit's first rally of the year, where I plan on going kayaking, hiking, as well as enjoying at least one evening campfire. Although it wasn't mentioned in the newsletter, so far, I have not noted any shortage of adult beverage consumption during these get togethers, so I'm counting on that, too. If your local unit doesn't do this sort of thing...find one that does.
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Old 02-10-2004, 09:17 AM   #105
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Shot across the bow

Well I fired the first shot on the WBCCI forum regarding the survey, basicly noting that we need to find out from the folks who left, not those staying. It will be interesting whether it invokes a "shields up" attitude or whether the WBCCI sargent at arms makes a visit to my humble abode and lets the air out of my tires.

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Old 02-10-2004, 09:35 AM   #106
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Thats funny!

Boots Randolph. I too am not a huge fan of Boots Randolph but he is one of the most famous saxophonist in music. My parents listened to Boots whle I was growing up along with many other country legends.

I worked with some folks from Boston a number of years ago, and it is true, Bostonians do not have an ear or appetite for a lot of country music. I recall the guy in his london Fog coat and his pipe hanging low, asking me what that noise was. It was Hank Williams Jr, Rockin!

I am not a fan of classical and Muzak, but I do listen to alot of country.

When I am with wife or the country crowd, I listen to that.

When I am at work I listen to classic rock. I am listening to Doobies right now.

I also love some good ol' fashioned blood pumping bang your head metal music. Rush, Boston, Led Zeppelin, Kiss, Ratt, etc.....

I too would not attend the Boots Tour but I am certain that many will. As much as we may or may not like it, RV people are predominatly seniors. It is the same for EVERY RV brand. It is just the nature of the beast. Look at all RV magazines, Who is depicted in there? The RV industry caters to the retired generation, that is who is spending their money at there dealerships. Dont worry, your turn is coming and they will be playing some artist that you enjoy. But dont forget to get online and read all the dismay from the next generation who will be complaining that the damn Doobie Brothers are playing at Intenational Rally, who the heck are they?

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Old 02-10-2004, 09:38 AM   #107
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Re: Shot across the bow

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Well I fired the first shot on the WBCCI forum regarding the survey, basicly noting that we need to find out from the folks who left, not those staying. It will be interesting whether it invokes a "shields up" attitude or whether the WBCCI sargent at arms makes a visit to my humble abode and lets the air out of my tires.

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Old 02-10-2004, 09:43 AM   #108
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Woo HOO!!! for those of you who don't know who "Bootes Randolph" is, he is a really really bad saxophonist, who play absolutely the MOST hokey crap you've ever heard. Geritol all the way.
Actually I sorta like Boots Randolph. Anyone remember Yakety Sax?

Being a sax player myself, I don't know if he's "really, really bad" ... but he has played with some of the biggest names in the business. You can read more about Boots Randolph here.

If we were attending the International ... we'd certainly go to the FREE concert.
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Old 02-10-2004, 09:52 AM   #109
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Bravo!

I agree with Forrest. Well thought out post.

My survey votes for a club name with Airstream in it. Forrst's idea that the Wally byam Caravan Club should be an intraclub would suit me just fine. Like Forrest, I never heard of Wally Byam until I joined, so why should the public recognize that name. I certainly appreciate Byam's contributions, but, as Forresat posted, this is no longer primarily a caravan club and is becoming less so every day.

Unless you iinterpret "caravan" in the British manner, the present club name makes little sense.
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:16 AM   #110
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As much as we may or may not like it, RV people are predominatly seniors. It is the same for EVERY RV brand. It is just the nature of the beast. Look at all RV magazines, Who is depicted in there? The RV industry caters to the retired generation, that is who is spending their money at there dealerships.
OK, perhaps this is the first stereotype we need to dispell. The above statements are not true anymore, and I'm surprised at you Ken for falling for that, when you've railed against people stereotyping the WBCCI. (You can atone for your sin by polishing a panel of my Caravel.)

The average RV buyer's age across the industry is age 49. It is true that the highest Airstream ownership group is currently 55+ but that is rapidly changing. The fastest-growing group of Airstream buyers are aged 35-54 (mostly Baby Boomers). They are snapping up the International CCDs in record numbers.

It is those new buyers who are probably less enthralled with the idea of Boots Randolph than the Three Dog Night.

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Old 02-10-2004, 10:23 AM   #111
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I like the WB Caravan Club sub-group idea also. When we are at a rally and are chatting with locals in town, I say I am with the Airstream Club. There's no need dragging out the whole "double-u-bee-cee-cee-eye" - for one thing it's awkward to constantly have to say, and then folks outside the loop don't know what the heck you're talking about!
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:26 AM   #112
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Unhappy Guilty as charged

I am ashamed, I am typically one to do my homework before speaking.

I stand corrected, I was not aware of the statistic.

But what I am aware of, is I receive a bevy of RV magazines every month and I can assure you, the majority of photos in adverisemnts, articles, rallies etc..... are predominatley seniors.

Now the threshold for senior is up for interpretation I am certian. There probably is a set threshold, like 55 or 60 or 62 or 65, all which have to respective significance.

For this converstion, I will assume the threshhold for seniors at 55. ( I am actually thinking 50 but I know better). Lets just say retired rather than senior.

Now Luhr, you are in the biz, can you honestly say that the industry magazines are not predominatley senior oriented?

I will however settle up for my sins and polish two panels for I am chastizing myself for speaking before doing my homework.

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