Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-08-2004, 09:57 AM   #43
Rivet Master
 
InsideOut's Avatar

 
1956 22' Safari
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen , Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 11,793
Images: 108
Wink Hmmm....

Quote:
Are you sure they won't stuff an apple in my mouth and roast me over an open pit for showing up in a 2004?
We were wondering what we'd do for the Saturday night feast!

If you want additional information, check out 2004 Rocky Mountain VAC Rally

Shari
__________________

__________________
Vintage Airstream Club - Past President 2007/2008
WBCCI #1824 - DenCO Unit Past President (2005)
AIR #30 - Join Date: 2-25-2002

RMVAC | WBCCI DenCO Unit | Sisters on the Fly | Tin Can Tourists
BIRDY - our 1956 Safari | 1964 Serro Scotty
InsideOut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 10:04 AM   #44
Rivet Master
 
Pahaska's Avatar
 
2014 Interstate Ext. Coach
Hays County , Texas
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,822
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally posted by Porky Pig


Are you sure they won't stuff an apple in my mouth and roast me over an open pit for showing up in a 2004?
Our unit was happy to have me bring my 2003 International to our "Vintage Rally" last year to serve as a comparison to the vintage units. Everyone thought it was neat to see what had changed and what had stayed the same.
__________________

__________________
John W. Irwin
2014.5 Touring Coach, "Sabre-Dog IV"
WBCCI #9632
Pahaska is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 10:25 AM   #45
Rivet Master
 
Pahaska's Avatar
 
2014 Interstate Ext. Coach
Hays County , Texas
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,822
Images: 3
Survey

My BB finally came yesterday and I have the survey ready to send. I had to write a whole lot of comments because I didn't think that the survey questions allowed me to fully make my opinions known.

I am retired, but the way I use my trailer is much more like the working folks than the majority of our unit who take off for months at a time. I prefer anywhere from 2-night to 5-night rallies and I'm happy to stay in this area. I have no use for rallies any larger or much more remote than our region rally.

Our unit is moving toward some shorter, close-in rallies and I support that direction. We have discussed having some no-host rallies which would be much more like the forum rallies and there seems to be enthusiasm to do so. We prorate fees for every rally so that folks who can come only part time are not penalized.

Our unit is about to experience quite a bit of attrition; one trailer has been sold and several will be sold in the very near future. A number of folks will be active for only a few more years.

By the way, there are beer, wine, and campfires to be found at our rallies and I have yet to see anyone object.
__________________
John W. Irwin
2014.5 Touring Coach, "Sabre-Dog IV"
WBCCI #9632
Pahaska is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 10:28 AM   #46
Rivet Master
 
Davydd's Avatar
 
Tonka Bay
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 767
Images: 13
Question VAC a sub of WBCCI

Coloradobus,

Isn't VAC a subsidiary of WBCCI in that you cannot join it directly without first having joined WBCCI? I could probably find time for one but not both so it makes no sense really belonging to both.
__________________
Davydd
2015 Sprinter Class B Camper Van
(Former 1971 vintage Airstream Owner)
Davydd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 10:35 AM   #47
Rivet Master
 
Davydd's Avatar
 
Tonka Bay
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 767
Images: 13
Thumbs up Blue Beret Arrived Yesterday

...and in good condition. Nice picture of the polar bear.

Now I know what bugs me about those berets. With the large emblem they are worn differently than the way say Army Rangers wear theirs. They kind of look goofy puffed up. I'd prefer a black gimmie bill cap. I collect black caps and seem to pick up a new one with every vacation.
__________________
Davydd
2015 Sprinter Class B Camper Van
(Former 1971 vintage Airstream Owner)
Davydd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 11:14 AM   #48
Just a member
 
thenewkid64's Avatar
 
1978 28' Argosy 28
Tampa Bay , Florida
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,539
Images: 21
Send a message via AIM to thenewkid64 Send a message via Yahoo to thenewkid64 Send a message via Skype™ to thenewkid64
Davydd,

Yes, you have to be a member of the WBCCI to be a member of the VAC intra club.

As for the berets, the only time I wear mine is when I am participating in a WBCCI function that requires the "uniform". Otherwise it just sits in the closet. There are many members that would like to see the beret changed to some type of baseball cap with the patch or an embroidered logo on it.
__________________
Brett G
WBCCI #5501 AIR # 49
-------------------------
1978 Argosy 28 foot Motorhome

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. -- Plato


thenewkid64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 01:56 PM   #49
Still Working
 
smily's Avatar
 
1994 36' Classic 36
North Charleston , South Carolina
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,651
Images: 19
Caravanners and Rallies

Well been away all weekend on Unit Rally and I see there has been much said. It is so obvious that the folks who are throwing rocks, even though they claim they are not, are the ones who have not even tried it out.

Let me point out a few things:

The WBCCI is not just a caravanning club. I have been a member for two years. I have never been on a Caravan. I have been to a Unit Rally practically every month. These rallies are three days long. Now that proves that you are wrong about no events for working class people. Most WBCCI events are during the weekend. So put a sock in it and quit crying " There are no events for the working generation" That is complete bologna!

Now , Campfires, we burned four truckloads of fire wood last month. That is no exxageration. once again, you would probably know better if you were there.

Hats, I did not see one hat. NOT ONE! But I did see folks dressed casually just like you probably are. I am certain if you wish to show up in your cut up sheet, they would welcome you and laugh with you, not at you.

Age group, over half of the attending members are still employed. FACT!

Members of this forum that are officers. There are no less than four international officers on this very forum. And I would say, no less than thirty unit officers. I know in our unit alone, at least six to seven are members of this forum and other Airstream forums. They are humble and they may choose not to have the spotlight shined on them. You never know who is standing next to you when you speak. That is one of the hardest lessons I have ever learned in my life. I am certain we all know what our foot taste like. Again, if you were a member of the WBCCI, you would know who the officers are. BUT YOU ARE NOT!

Changing the name of the club. Never lose sight of the fact that the WBCCI is not owned, a part of or governed by Airstream. The Wally Byam Caravan Club International is named for the INVENTOR and CREATOR of the Airstream. Now would you expect us to change the name of your father, for promotional purposes? Wake Up! Remember, If there was no Wally Byam, you would not own an Airstream. Oh but you do own an Airstream, dont you?, claim you are an Airstreamer.....

some folks wish to convey their opinion but they do not wish to participate.

Maybe you should join some other RV club, there is plenty of room for people that do not wish to be in the WBCCI,

Well, I am out of soap..............

Oh, by the way, our unit grew by four more units this month.

Now how is that for declining numbers.

We had a BLAST this weekend, and boy we sure did miss you.
Smily
__________________
smily is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 02:23 PM   #50
Rivet Master
 
Davydd's Avatar
 
Tonka Bay
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 767
Images: 13
Wink Calm down Ken

Ken,

Did I not echo your sentiment about the idea of changing the club? I agree. It is not Thor's club and there is no place for those white box SOBs.

About those berets.

"Hats, I did not see one hat. NOT ONE!"

That speaks volumes. I would want a hat that everyone would wear proudly. No reason why the club couldn't sanction different hats. The berets for tradition and ceremony and ball caps for every day and work wear. Even the military does that.

Chastise me. Flog me. Beat me. I'm a member but also kind of an observer looking from the outside since I haven't towed my Airstream anywhere. From what I see initially the only enticement is the exclusiveness of the Airstream trailer.
__________________
Davydd
2015 Sprinter Class B Camper Van
(Former 1971 vintage Airstream Owner)
Davydd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 02:35 PM   #51
Still Working
 
smily's Avatar
 
1994 36' Classic 36
North Charleston , South Carolina
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,651
Images: 19
Calm

I am calm now............

Just gets so old, (as I am sure people feel about me), to see people stereo-type the WBCCI.

If you go back to my first trip to a WBCCI function, I too did not know what it was about. So I asked.

There were mixed opinions. So many that I decided to find out for myself.

Granted, I was able to sample it for free and I will do the same for you, I will pay your unit fees for the first year, (the SCCU).

I truly wish that I could pack all of you up, and bring you to one of our unit rallies. You would see what a WBCCI unit could be like if you put you mind to it.

Last month we had three new units come and see for themselves, they signed up.
This month we had four, actually three were present and fourth not. They were truly excited and are already looking forward to the next event. The SC State Rally is sold out. This was due to the reputation that we have developed and the fun we have demonstrated to many new members.

It is a product of "seeing it for myself" that has given me such conviction on spreading the word.

I too was on the outside looking in, and now I am a part of this family, VERY PROUDLY!

Dont knock it until you try it. Dont take some one elses opinion, make your own. Always be your own judge and not some one elses.

Come one come all!

Smily
__________________
smily is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 03:03 PM   #52
Just a member
 
thenewkid64's Avatar
 
1978 28' Argosy 28
Tampa Bay , Florida
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,539
Images: 21
Send a message via AIM to thenewkid64 Send a message via Yahoo to thenewkid64 Send a message via Skype™ to thenewkid64
Ken,

All I can say is WOW 4 new members, GREAT!

The rest of your post has me a bit concerned. I could not advocate sending anyone to a Samboree, or some other type of club. As I stated earlier in the thread I cannot see how the club can change from the outside. You are a vocal supporter of the club as am I. Your unit is a shining example of what can be done and what it will take to attract new, younger members.

Unfortunately many other units do not have members that have the desire and energy to push change. Most people are comfortable in their "box". Either they do not want change, or are unwilling to make the effort to create change. In my experience this leads to the situation of having the same thing that was done, or in place for many years being all that is done.

With so many of us brought up with fast paced television, and our fast paced lives I think that the Airstream lifestyle offers a chance to slow down and take a breather, to a point. I am not an advocate of chat and chew rallies. I want to have things offered to me to do. If I choose to go and do, fine, my choice. If I am in an area that I do not know I would assume that the rally hosts will have scouted things for me to do that I either was not aware of, or what would be the best use of my time and or money. I liken it to a being on a cruse ship. There is a full schedule of events, and to do's, but you do what you want of it.

Of course doing these things (rally planning) takes time and energy. Besides having to tap into the creative spirit to do theme rallies and the like. I believe that these talents are available but untapped in most WBCCI units. There is a depth of knowledge that is astonishing held by the members, and for the most part they all wish to be involved, but they need a little prodding. One thing to do is to ask the members what they did at rallies that made a lasting impression on them and they would like to do again.

That prodding needs to come form the MEMBERS of the unit. Outside prodding, "I will join your unit if you do this type of rally or event" will never work. So join. Place your own opinion on the table about what you think should be done to add to the "value" of the rallies and your unit. I love the idea of a 3 day caravan.

Looking at the club as a whole is deceiving. Hats, uniforms, flag ceremonies, consitution and bylaws. These have little to do with the general membership and having fun at a rally. The local units are the heart and soul of the club and can vary from units that meet 3-4 times a year to rally and others like mine that have 8 unit rallies a year, plus some years do a WBCCI numbered unit caravan. I will agree that the unit you join should be a fair fit for you and your plans, but from there change is not that hard to effect. All you have to do is speak up. Of course there may be consequences, you may be asked to help implement your desired changes, but then you have control and can make it your own.

At the least try a WBCCI unit rally before you take Ken's advice and join a Samboree. You need to experience what we are talking about to really tell the difference.

Sorry about another long post.
__________________
Brett G
WBCCI #5501 AIR # 49
-------------------------
1978 Argosy 28 foot Motorhome

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. -- Plato


thenewkid64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 03:08 PM   #53
Rivet Master
 
Big Dee's Avatar
 
2004 30' Classic
San Jose , California
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,664
Images: 24
OK Ken,

I think I was one of those "folks" you were refering to so...

Let me know if my facts are wrong.

FACT: The WBCCI membership numbers are decreasing. Am I wrong?

FACT: The WBCCI has a problem recuiting new members especially new owners. Why is this?

FACT: I've been an an owner since 1998 and have not been attracted to WBCCI.

FACT: Not all local units look and act like yours. If they did, there would be NO PROBLEM with membership! I am jealous of SCC unit. How 'bout moving out to Northern Cal and leading a unit?

FACT: Many people have attended unit rallies only to feel left out or it was not for them, as they have said in this forum.

FACT: I am a member at large. I will attend the Region 12 Rally in October.

OPINION: I think it is the job of current officers to make the club more appealing. Period.

OPINION: I think VAC has got it right.

OPINION: Your hot reaction to this discussion is exactly why new people would not want to join and try to "fight" for change. It does not sound appealing.
__________________
"It's the journey."

NorCal Fall Rally, Jackson Rancheria, October 7-9 2011 Click here for more info

Come rally with us.
Big Dee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 08:27 PM   #54
Still Working
 
smily's Avatar
 
1994 36' Classic 36
North Charleston , South Carolina
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,651
Images: 19
An obvious change

I too noticed the difference in this months or this years magazine. It was obvious that the magazine has taken on a new direction. While maintaining the original menu, adding some zest to the mag.

I am certain that it will only get better.

I have been talking with both WBCCI and Airstream and there are very strong movements to evolve and become attractive to todays Airstreamers.

I am glad to be a part of that.

Smily
__________________
smily is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2004, 10:52 PM   #55
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,334
Well, well, well.....

Our old WBCCI conversation has shown it's face yet once again! Have we not heard the chimes at midnight........ either way, I have my flame suit on in FULL effect!

You know, I find it amusing to say the least that all this bickering still goes on. About a month ago, there was World War 3 going on and few folks even batted and eye. Some comments here I fully support and agree with, while some I think are about as worthless as the publication (sorry had to keep it on topic).

Here are some opinions (mixed with some facts) that I offer (again for the record) :

1) If there were a cool club be it WBCCI or something else, I'd join it, but only if it were for Airstreams and Argosy RVs and I wasn't asked to change the world to make it work for my generation. Adding other RVs just cause they are by the same parent company is a total joke. Next car clubs across the nation will blow off the uniqueness of their clubs to augment numbers to a dying breed (no pun inteded here) allowing all cars if they have 4 wheels into their clubs.

2) If 30 somethings are in the numbers spoken about here, they all must be independently wealthy since few 30 somethings that I know can participate to even 1/4 the level some of the older crowed can, let alone even afford one of these units be it new or old. Moreover the looks that are given when you break the norm of what is considered acceptible (hats, drinks, campfires, etc). And I know, not all local units are that way....they just don't happen to be in my state!

3) I don't agree or subscribe to the fact that you gotta be in WBCCI to make a change. I personally think the folks running the show are scared to death to see the number falling off and ideas are starting to comeout of the woodwork on how to stop the bleeding (like this half baked idea of allowing other Thor RVs into WBCCI). I mean what a novel idea, pay us to belong, and oh, by the way, we need your help to better understand you so that we can improve, but remember to pay the full dues before you start to help us help you belong and fit in.... Personally, I think my taking a walk has spoken louder to WBCCI than every word I have ever posted here on this forum. I have neither the time nor the desire to try to fundementally change the stale orginization it has become (again not true of all local units). True there are some very cool local units and I am happy for them, but the fish stinks from the head down and as such if change is going to happen, they will be the ones to make the first step, as I don't pay dues to fix major problems. I just got hit up to join the Royal Order of The Moose and sure they have problems, but they have there stuff together and they have, for the most part, been able to bridge the generation gap far better than most, but not as good as some. May not join it either, but compared to the current WBCCI national orginization, The Moose run circles around it when it comes to bridging the generation gap and they don't need my dues to start to change things, they have the basics covered and to me, I'd rather not have to fix a broken club...don't mind tweaking it, but don't kid yourself, WBCCI (as a whole minus some great loca groups) is VERY broken. The fact that such a desperate act of letting other RVs into it is on the table of discussion proves it the acts of disparity. To bad they can't seem to get it right nationally as some of the handful of local groups has been able to do.

4) One last thing that I find funny above all else. This discussion has been going on for over a year now on this forum alone (as far as I can tell).......and what has fundementally changed since the very first forum discussion on this subject (given all the feedback that has been sent up to "officers"...or did I just miss something...which is entirely possible.

5) This thread has gotten way off topic and should be split into one of the existing 12 other threads hashing out this problem.

But of all else, trust me on the allowing other RVs into WBCCI thing!

Twinkie has left the forum (for tonight at least).


Edit: Thread was split and as such some comments might not make sense, but they are still here as is.
__________________
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2004, 12:04 AM   #56
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,002
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Obviously things are seriously wrong with the International organization. The free offer for first time owners went down in flames due to the fact that the majority of these new members left when their free year expired. Now you can say what you will about the success of specific local units, but the bottom line is that if you can't keep these new members, then we are not meeting their expectations or the value received for the dues dollars paid are not there.

Those who developed this survey have some pretty good ideas of what the problems are. Many of the questions in this new survey reflect issues which have been discussed by many in these forums. The question is will they be willing to make the changes necessary to start turning the organization around.

Lets face the facts. I have come to realize that the bulk of my dues go to support an International organization who's main goal is to put on an International Rally which for all intents attracts a small percentage of the overall membership who suffer in weather conditions that would alarm most health agencies.

Events that I have attended are predictable and suffer due to tradition and the attitude that this is the way we do things. I attended my first and last regional rally last year which was nothing more that a unit rally with additional ceremony added in. Also present were some chidings from some of the regional attendees that I didn't have my numbers on my trailer and that they better be there the next time they see me. (Well I won't be there for you to chide me further and they won't be on the new Classic either.)

I cannot take issue with the friendships we have gained through the local organization though, and these friendships are really what keeps me in.

The new survey is already tainted in that you are asking the choir if you like the pastor (sort of the inverse of preaching to the choir). Its awfully hard to get the surveys to reflect the problems when the folks who want change have already left the organization. The survey's you need to look at should be sent to those who leave the organization or do not join.

The saving grace for this organization wil be VAC which will continue and grow. The old guard will leave by age or death and the VAC membership will eventually become the core group which will change and revitalize the organization.

Jack
__________________

__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.