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Old 02-05-2004, 11:26 PM   #15
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I have not joined the WBCCI.
The members I have met are all about 65 to 80 yrs old. Most of them don't go anyplace..except to the periodic meetings and the annual Christmas party.
Besides, I would be much more inclined to wear a Stetson than a Blue Beret.
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Old 02-06-2004, 06:21 AM   #16
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Re: Debate

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The thing that bothers me about the BB survey is that it sort of came out of the blue (no pun intended). Obviously, there has been some proposals made, probably at International, but where has been the oportunity for proposal and debate at the grass-root level of the WBCCI. The Blue Beret would be the logical choice to present and sponsor such dialog, but it doesn't exist.
I received a shorter version of the questions from my Region President dealing with club issues 2 months ago. It was discussed in our Executive board meeting. The answers were sent back up the chain. Depending on how the lines of communication work in your Region, you may not have even been aware of the existence of the survey.

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BTW, question #7 "The WBCCI membership base should be broadened to include any RV brand made by Thor Industries, parent company of Airstream," is actually an old controversy. It follows from allowing motor homes and Argosy RVs into the club. I don't have a problem with Argosy owners being in the club because I know what the history is behind Argosy. But as for letting all Thor products in it would be a deal breaker.
While I am not a purist ( I am an Argosy Motorhome owner) I do think the message that they are trying to send is if the club does not evolve to meet the needs of todays buyers, and there are plenty of them lining up to buy, then they only way to have it survive is to open up membership to a broader RV base. I for one do not want to see that. This will be a hotly debated issue and should act as a wake up call that the something has to be done soon, or else. BTW I was an Airstream Trailer owner and member when the Argosy approval was on the ballot and we voted for it never thinking that someday it would allow us to get into a motorhome and maintain our membership in the club
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Old 02-06-2004, 06:35 AM   #17
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Old thread on Survey

There was actually a rather large call to survey last year

You can see that at this link

http://www.airforums.com/forum...t=WBCCI+survey

We had a very good turnout and I believe we even posted the results of that.

Sorry, you missed out on it. The forum has grown in numbers considerably and there are many that were not aware of the survey.

I still get requests for survey to this day.

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Old 02-06-2004, 06:57 AM   #18
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Would Wally Byam roll over in his grave if the WBCCI was opened up to SOB white boxes? What connection does Thor Industries have with Wally Byam other than buying Airstream? Can you imagine red numbers on SOB? I'm curious why this would be entertained. If it became a company club then other RV clubs might be much more enticing.

Being a new vintage Airstream owner more for the aesthetics, uniqueness, Americana history, spirit and the idea of it at this time, my needs are being fullfilled more by the Internet and Airstreamforums.com primarily. I do enjoy visiting the company Airstream Forum as well. It is well done. I just haven't found the time and energy to participate in its forums there when so many people carry the same topics back and forth between here and there.
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Old 02-06-2004, 07:00 AM   #19
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Coloradobus,

I can understand the desires. I own every Fine Homebuilding magazine (1980) and MacWorld magazine (1984) in existance. I did download most all the VAC back issues online and browsed and read them online as well. I haven't printed them out. The information is outstanding.
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Old 02-06-2004, 07:52 AM   #20
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Re: VAC Newsletter Online

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I own every Fine Homebuilding magazine (1980) and MacWorld magazine (1984) in existance.
I used to collect Premiere issues of magazines. Recently I sold the first issues of MacWorld, Macazine, MacUser, and HyperCard on eBay.

Although this isn't the Premiere issue ... I just can't part with this one ... (sorry for the hijack) ...
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Old 02-06-2004, 08:56 AM   #21
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everyones got a different need

I joined the local unit that Brett is Preident of because I thought he was a natural leader who has all the enegy to make a club go and have found that more than true, I haven't even mebtioned Edies wonderful support.

In my case I have had 2 boys graduate from college and one get married and had one daughter have a grandchild and another get married and 3 move and start new jobs with differing degrees of happiness and I have just sold my house and will be full-tming in March...all since last fall.

By the time I work and settle things up there for full-timing and fish the different bites we have here in my part of SW Florida, I have had to postpone my involvement in my local chapter. I use my 310 motorhome when I fish overnite areas so it doesn't sit, others bring the boat and I the housing.

While indeed this has been a abnormally busy time for me, I enjoy the banter and opinions expressed here on the forum and appreciate the great advice I have gotten. I do think we all have slightly different agendas in our normal lives but Airstream talk is a common bond and there are those who have been there and newbies alike. I just hope when someone doesn't have a strong local chapter, others will not be too harsh on them for wishing for more...jem
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Old 02-06-2004, 09:45 AM   #22
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Before I moved into covered storage, I was parked next to a cheap-looking white box that made me shudder every time I looked at it. I didn't recognize the brand, but when I looked at the nameplate, I found that it was a Thor product. Expanding WBCCI to include that type of product would certainly spoil it for me.

OTOH, maybe there is a halfway point. Thor does make some other high-end products besides Airstream and I could support expanding the club to include some subset of those products IF it means the survival of WBCCI.
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Old 02-06-2004, 10:25 AM   #23
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Thor does make some other high-end products besides Airstream and I could support expanding the club to include some subset of those products IF it means the survival of WBCCI.
Yeah, if it would ... but I doubt it. The club's current problems are not because of a dearth of Airstream owners. The factory estimates that 75,000 Airstreams are on the road today. The club has a little more than 10% of them.

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Old 02-06-2004, 12:41 PM   #24
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"There was actually a rather large call to survey last year"

Ken,

Was the survey last year your doing, or the doing of International? And my point is that survey was on-line, I don't recall that it was posted in the Blue Beret (I just checked my back issues and didn't find it). The Blue Beret is the common denominator for Club communication, and should be the forum for the Club's debate. Instead, the debate takes place here or elsewhere on the Internet only because the very nature of the Internet allows opinion and fosters exchange of information. Discussion, ideas, debate, dispute, or protest does not get printed in the Blue Beret. Why?

thenewkid64,

You had discussion in your exective meeting two months ago, but was there discussion in your unit meeting? Does the bureaucracy and structure of the WBCCI stifle debate, and discussion, or does it encourage it? Does it enhance or impede the flow of information? Can the current parliamentary process respond to the desires of the membership in a timely mannner?
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Old 02-06-2004, 01:18 PM   #25
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It is not a secret that WBCCI caters to senior citizens. I mean look at the unit group pics. If you were 55, you'd be a youngin' in these pics (there are exceptions- SCC unit).

I find the club just out of date. The blue berets look old and stupid. The logo looks ancient. Even the name is old, it should have "Airstream" in it.

The pagentry of the WBCCI rallies really turn me off. The Parade of Flags, opening and closing ceremonies, etc. , all sounds lame to me. I would just rather "meet up" at a campground at a predetermined time with a bunch of Airstreamers. Well, just like a Forum Rally, really.

But I just became a new member. I already wonder if I will renew. Maybe WBCCI will change. I would like to see a newly named mag that looks like this forum- iInformative, fun, interesting, and exciting. I would like to see a club focused on working Airstreamers, with many weekend rallies.

The fact that there are very few club officers as members of these forums tells volumes about WBCCI troubles.

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Old 02-06-2004, 01:42 PM   #26
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Re: Survey

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You had discussion in your executive meeting two months ago, but was there discussion in your unit meeting? Does the bureaucracy and structure of the WBCCI stifle debate, and discussion, or does it encourage it? Does it enhance or impede the flow of information? Can the current parliamentary process respond to the desires of the membership in a timely manner?
Forrest,

The fact that the survey we had was discussed in the Executive board meeting, but not with the general membership was at the direction of my Region superior. This was to begin the process of getting feedback, before the general membership was surveyed. It is assumed that the Executive board knows the wishes of the unit on some issues.

I don't think that the WBCCI is attempting to stifle debate in any manner, I just think that they are attempting to start the process without causing the general membership to wonder what is happening.

As for the Survey that Ken mentioned, it was available in printed form but was not a WBCCI Headquarters survey like is in the current Blue Beret. It was done by a Region 3 staff member that was tasked with finding out more about the working generation, how they perceive the club and what what the club should be looking to do to attract those members.
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Old 02-06-2004, 01:55 PM   #27
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I agree 100% with Big Dee - the goofy-ness and politics of organized clubs is not my thing.

Informal gatherings with no officers, no dues, and no silly hats... are fun and politics-free. Perhaps the day of WBCCI is over, and more casual Internet-based interest groups, such as Airstream Forums, will thrive.
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It was done by a Region 3 staff member that was tasked with finding out more about the working generation, how they perceive the club and what what the club should be looking to do to attract those members.
Gee .. all they need to do is log onto this forum.
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