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Old 07-28-2004, 05:50 PM   #239
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I just wish the food was better . I really don't like paying a rally fee which includes some meals which are painful reminders of scout camp banquets. Ham in water should be outlawed. Now my experience is based on last year's region one rally and I'm trying it again this year.

Being in the vintage area we were parked in the next field over, out of the way of the nice trailers . The people were very friendly, I didn't go to any events as they seemed Welkian. Time warp. The people were very friendly, trying hard to welcome us. I mean falling over themselves. Like they were really glad to see a new member. So that helped balance off the first contact. They played this stupid game that made you find the group you were to go to for happy hour . Never really explained it, guess they play it often enough they don't need to do that. I walked all over the encampment searching for my group . Talk about being made clear I was an outsider. And I had a really good food thing to share, crab cakes with two sauces . I was not enjoying myself . Now I know there were people wanting to fuss over new members. It's just that its a side issue to what's going on not a part of every detail . Whoever setup the group search game didn't consider there may be new people. We camped by ourselves the rest of the summer and fall . Paid our dues and we will give it another shot. This time region one is 4 miles from home so I know were to go to eat if they have ham.

Frankly I see no reason to belong if it's open to other makes. I will continue to belong because it seems a responsibility of owning an Airstream and I'm hoping the Vintage Club will be worthwhile. In fact prehaps the Vintage Club should consider reorganizing now to be independent of the mother load should this occur and become the real airstream club. That's how groups are in the real world. They come, they die, another takes it place. I don't see the relationship between what Wally was doing and what WBCCI does but I have little to go on.

Prehaps a revolt at Woodstock is needed . Woodstock, now that's prophetic . Forum members can park in a wagon wheel, have a campfire, and be a community . Now that's rad..


I better stop now before I say what I really think.
Hmmm...I was there. I don't remember the ham. I must have blocked it out. In fact, now that I think about it...I think I was parked next to you. (little trailer...cork floor, screen house...right?). I do remember being down in the gulley w/ the poor folks. and all the millionaires visiting at the open house..."oh, how quaint".

Oh, well. I can tell you that other events I've attended since didn't have the same tone at all. consider the Jamaica rally. looks to me like its an "all wally" event, is it not? point being that the club has it within itself to be less stuffy. and I promise, I won't bring any ham in water!!
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Old 07-28-2004, 06:04 PM   #240
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So are you coming to Jamaica. I'll bring my Bobby Marley CD collection.
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Old 07-28-2004, 06:17 PM   #241
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So are you coming to Jamaica. I'll bring my Bobby Marley CD collection.
yep. just need to book a site...didn't get a chance at work today. a little busy.
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Old 07-28-2004, 06:28 PM   #242
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Well this is VERY disappointing, as I think about it not surprising that someday SOB's will be allowed. If the current membership and administration what to keep their old folks retirement club, then thats the only solution to me. Not that that is necessarily bad, but not something I will want to participate in. At this point, the VAC rally is the only rally I'm attending/holds my interest this year - have dropped all the others.

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Old 07-28-2004, 09:59 PM   #243
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Why isn't there an AIRSTREAM OWNERS CLUB?????????
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:57 PM   #244
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I spoke to a WBCCI Caravan Leader who was also staying at Mill Creek Campground up in Mackinaw City at the time of our Midwest Forum Rally. He saw me at a store in town and asked my opinion of WBCCI. He got an earful from me. When I asked him if the results of the survey were discussed he noted that the powers in charge nodded their collective heads up and down while holding their hands over their ears. An obvious euphamism that they ignored what they read.

Obviously the comment about the results were statistically flawed or not a true measurement goes back to my original concern that the survey was preaching to the choir. They missed the mark in that those who are still in the organization are happy with its direction. Unfortunately those ranks are being diminished by death and other infirmities. Its the fact that they can't get new members to replenish the ranks or those who join leave after the first year.

The caravan leader told me that years ago, 50% of the new Airstream owners joined WBCCI. The statistics now are 15%. Considering they build between 1,200-1,500 new units a year a 15% join rate doesn't dent the fallout.

I guess I'll run over to the WBCCI site and stir the pot in their forum. Maybe we will learn something.

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Old 07-29-2004, 09:50 AM   #245
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So let me ask a really dumb question. How are these people elected and by whom. I don't remember getting any ballots in the mail. I suspect, and it's just a wild mule guess, that the process favors the same types keeping control. Never got no nomination stuff, I promise to stuff, ect. Now I figure one of the problems is no one really wants the jobs except those who have been waiting around for 30 years for their turn. The whole thing seems to run like some secret society. Maybe there was more to that Ethopia and Egypt trip than meets the eye. Wasn't there something about coing out of the west in a silver carriott in Revelations? I mean they wouldn't knew aluminum.

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Old 07-29-2004, 10:39 AM   #246
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So let me ask a really dumb question. How are these people elected and by whom.
I'm pretty sure each unit sends delegates which do the voting while at the International. It's a track, once you enter into the lower end of the International Officers you progress one office each year. In most cases they have to recruit a secretary, treasurer, and and one VP each year (assuming no other VP's quit or die). The VP's are the ones who move to a higher office each year. Its really the same as how the local units work.

I was asked to run for 3rd VP in our unit but declined, I'm currently a Trustee on the unit board. My problem is that with work I do not have the time to do the functions required as you move up in the ranks. That's part of the problem in the organization which caters to the retired folks who have lots of free time to plan the pomp and circumstance and all the activities from breakfast, seminars, day trips, social hours, dinner, and of course games at night.

Now I did commit to do a rally for the unit in 2006. Change is in the air and the President for 2006 asked me to do it in Airstream Forums style. Hurray!

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The process of electing the international board is thus:

The nomination committee, a 3 person committee is charged with approaching members for nomination.

The members that are interested in the offices that will be open submit a resume of their qualifications to the committee with acceptance of the nomination. The nominees then send resumes to the unit Presidents with letters requesting support, this is the campaigning. The units will inform the delegates if there is a reason not to accept the persons that have been nominated so that the nomination can be voted up or down at the delegates meeting. Once the nominees have been picked then the resumes are published in the Blue Beret for the members to be notified. This is because many members to not attend rallies of their unit. The slate of nominees is officially elected at the meeting of the delegates attending International.

You are correct in your assumption that there are folks that want the job, the members that go through the ranks are supporters of the club. This has a tendency to maintain the status quo,. There is no way a that a mover and shaker can jump into the Presidency of the club.

The club is not a top down organization. The club is a bottom up one. The strength of the whole club lies in the strength of the local units. If the club is not doing something that you want to see done having 50-100 members of a unit make noise on the issue will be heard.


What I am trying to say is that the most action is in having a vibrant unit, with local leadership that is willing to stand up and say that they want change. One member is not going to be able to do much, but get a bunch together and you have to be listened too/dealt with.
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Old 07-29-2004, 12:09 PM   #248
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I have been a HOG (Harley Owners Group) member for over 5 yrs, was a member of the s.o.b. Casita Club (forum-based) for the 2 yrs we owned one, & a member of the WBCCI. So far I've been very active with WBCCI & see many, many problems (& some, few, good points) with it. NOTHING like our other FUN groups. Change can only come from within, unless the whole thing implodes before that!!
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I just got my Blue Beret yesterday and read the article posted regarding the survey. First it was interesting to note that a high percentage of the respondees have internet access. The question was raised as to how to make available the 75 pages of comments to the membership. My suggestion is to build the comments as PDF files and place a link from the WBCCI site. Cost would be minimal and those who wanted to print it could, and others could just read.

A few other thoughts. Two big items caught my eye. First was the breakdown of age groups responsiding to the survey. The lack of response from younger folks was quite evident. Second, the lack of response from members belonging 4 years or less.

Those who read my original post about the survey remember my "preaching to the choir" concern. Obviously long time members are probably happier with the organization the way it is today. Our concerns should have been with those who joined and then left.

I would hope that there was additional analysis of the responses from the younger age groups and those who have been members in the 4 years or less catagory. The answers to the survey from these core groups will tell leadership as to where the issues are and what direction is needed. This group is the future of the organization.

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I would hope that there was additional analysis of the responses from the younger age groups and those who have been members in the 4 years or less catagory. The answers to the survey from these core groups will tell leadership as to where the issues are and what direction is needed. This group is the future of the organization.

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I'm at the Region 1 Rally in Woodstock CT. What caught my eye is how many of the officers are in the Bus type Thor (Airstream) MH. I think there may be a culture shift here. For me Airstream is classic style not brand name. Sorry. I think the use of the Airstream name by Thor for bus like MH resulted in a major change in the WBCCI culture. I wonder when they will put the name on something else that's square.
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Jack,

We never read the Blue Beret, but for some odd reason I flipped through it yesterday before tossing it into the recycle pile.

I glanced through that survey as well--and found several major shortcomings. First, by putting it in the magazine, they limited its distribution to folks who actually read it--and logically, if they are missing their membership targets, then the people they really need to survey are the folks who don't read it and the folks who don't join. This would have be better served by a random sample of members and non-members. Additionally, the survey on first glance failed to ask questions aimed at anything except self-validation. Finally, they didn't effectively analyze the results to see how responses varied by characteristic populations. An example of this might kind of analysis might involve calculating how many of the folks who don't attend rallies read the magazine?

From a marketing perspective, WBCCI would be better served by addressing this strategically. They can still use this survey to capture a profile of their high participation/loyal membership. Then they need to identify the issues and concerns of the low and non-participants. A plan for the non-participants might involve contacting Thor for the profile of current customers, then having a neutral group conduct focus groups with them. Finally, they can aim at the low participants by selecting a group of members that have not attended national rallies and have not responded to the survey and focus grouping them.

All of this will take money and effort--but they do need to put resources into this area if they want to build up appeal to the group they are failing to attract at the current time.

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