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Old 05-15-2004, 04:26 PM   #1
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Blue Beret Discouraged

I read my new issue of the Blue Beret today. WBCCI just doesn't seem to get it. A few thoughts:
  • I wanted to attend the Region 12 Rally. All set to send in the coupon and I see that it's $145 rally fee. Well, I am a working stiff and would only be able to come for Friday & Saturday night. That's $145 for two nights? I don't think so. OK, so they make no provision for working/family members on the coupon. Very discouraging.
  • ALL of the coupons in the Blue Beret have only fees for attending the FULL 5-7 day rallies. No provision for paying by day. EXCEPT for Region 5/Indianna Unit's coupon. They are the only unit to offer pay by day and seperate the fees: parking, rally, and banquet.
  • There are very few email addresses on the coupons. Most communication is by snail mail. Another clue as to the demos of the club. And it discourages me from attending the Region 12 Rally if I can't ask questions about fees by email.
  • The Region 12 Rally has a Halloween theme, with a costume parade. Now I assume since they make no provision for working families that this will be seniors walking the loop in costumes? I don't know what to make of that. Will they be trick-or-treating? Yikes!
  • Maybe I'll stick to Forum Rallies, which are really my cup of tea. What do I need my WBCCI membership for, then?
  • Look at that group picture on the inside back cover. Nice folks I am sure, but it looks like an AARP picnic.
  • And finally, big news in the Blue Beret. The opening ceremonies of the International were not long enough. They have added the Canadian military anthem. Now, how many anthems is that?

Anybody on this Forum attending the Region 12 Rally?
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Old 05-15-2004, 06:24 PM   #2
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Smile In full agreement

The WBCCI is not doing a lot to encourage working members to come to rallys.. I know they would like more of us BUT the fee schedule for ALL rallies does not reflect that. This is one issue we will be asking about at our spring rally next w/e. Annie
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Old 05-15-2004, 08:00 PM   #3
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Exclamation Region 3!

Region 3 rally was offering an adjusted fee schedule based on the number on nights, as well as if you were camping or just daytiming it. And I believe there are others. So at least some of the regions are making adjsudtments for us working stiffs Now if I could just figure how to get more than a one day weekend....

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I agree! We were talking about attending the regeon 12 rally also, but after hearing about the cost, I guess not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't seem like the units back east seem to be more family/working stiff oriented. In all fairness our unit had a rally this past weekend which we had paid for and were not able to attend due to mechanical failure (no lights and no brakes/ got the lights working but I need help figuring out the brakes )
We just received a check back for most of the fees. Kudos to all you rally hosts out there (especially th El Camino Real unit )

So where is the Northern California Rally being held ?

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Old 05-15-2004, 10:28 PM   #5
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Two years ago we had to leave the Region 7 Rally early for a family wedding. Our region adjusted the fee to reflect our leaving early even though we did not request it.

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The unit I belong to always prorates the rally according to how many nights and how many meals you eat.This is a big plus for workin stiffs like us. I would encourage other units to do the same.
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The unit I belong to always prorates the rally according to how many nights and how many meals you eat.This is a big plus for workin stiffs like us. I would encourage other units to do the same.
Our unit does the same. After breakfast on Saturday morning, the treasurer holds court and has a calculated amount for each rig. Those leaving early settle up with him before they pull out. It is a simple calculation for the treasurer based on days attended. At most rallies, there is at least one rig that can not attend for the full time.
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Old 05-16-2004, 12:25 PM   #8
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Our unit does the same. After breakfast on Saturday morning, the treasurer holds court and has a calculated amount for each rig. Those leaving early settle up with him before they pull out. It is a simple calculation for the treasurer based on days attended. At most rallies, there is at least one rig that can not attend for the full time.
If they made it more attractive to working members, then they would have a lot more rigs coming for weekends, not just the occassional one. And why do I have to put up $145 if I know I will be there only the last two days? And hope they find me to give me my refund on the last day.

The rally policies just don't encourage working people to attend. It's just lookin' like the WBCCI is not for me. At this point, I will not renew.
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The Truth

Nothing could be farther fronm the truth here in the east.

We pro rate ALL rallies as in R3 that is going on right now. Our units to include most of the region 3 have a good mix of age groups.

You all know my position, which is why I write the articels . All of my articles are based on actual cases.

Sorry to hear that your Region is not up to todays standards. I bet if you do actually talk the sponsor or host, you will be able to get a pro-rated rate.

It really sounds like the case is that they are not catering to you and it is not falling onto place.
Put a little more effort into it instead of complaining to the forum.

Some people keep losing site of the fact it is ALL VOLUNTEER. Having snail mail provides connectivity for EVERYONE, not just those of us who are PC savvy. You gotta be willing to share the floor with all age groups not just ours.

In time there will be no more seniors that are not PC savvy. Be patient.

Oh!, by the way, how many emails did you write to the WBCCI and the Blue Beret, (who do have email addresses), with these same complaints?

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Nothing could be farther fronm the truth here in the east.

We pro rate ALL rallies as in R3 that is going on right now. Our units to include most of the region 3 have a good mix of age groups.

You all know my position, which is why I write the articels . All of my articles are based on actual cases.

Sorry to hear that your Region is not up to todays standards. I bet if you do actually talk the sponsor or host, you will be able to get a pro-rated rate.

It really sounds like the case is that they are not catering to you and it is not falling onto place.
Put a little more effort into it instead of complaining to the forum.

Some people keep losing site of the fact it is ALL VOLUNTEER. Having snail mail provides connectivity for EVERYONE, not just those of us who are PC savvy. You gotta be willing to share the floor with all age groups not just ours.

In time there will be no more seniors that are not PC savvy. Be patient.

Oh!, by the way, how many emails did you write to the WBCCI and the Blue Beret, (who do have email addresses), with these same complaints?
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Jeez Ken, in your attacking defense of WBCCI, I would say you lose more than gain. It's a turn off and makes me want to be a part of this group even less. I wasn't complaining as much as making observations. If this group wants to be oriented to Seniors, then that's their right. And I don't want anybody to "cater" to me.

I see your R3 rally coupon has accommadations for working families but the price is $190. Wow! That's two days for $190? Wow! That's pretty spendy for families on tight budgets.

The group that fits me is this Forum. Jack's Forum Rallies are what I am looking for in a rally- make your own reservation, no fee and it's informal with a few organized activites. So CoastalView and I are going to plan one for this Fall in Monterey. And everyone is invited, WBCCI member or not. Now that is my cup of tea.
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Looks like Laguna Seca in October. Can't beat Monterey Bay in October. I will shore up the dates this week and post 'em. Look for the thread. How many can we get to attend?
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The group that fits me is this Forum. Jack's Forum Rallies are what I am looking for in a rally- make your own reservation, no fee and it's informal with a few organized activites. So CoastalView and I are going to plan one for this Fall in Monterey. And everyone is invited, WBCCI member or not. Now that is my cup of tea.
I just got an email from the 2nd VP of our WBCCI unit here in STL. He asked me if I would be willing to put on an "Airstream Forums" style rally next year for the local unit. I'm flattered!

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Jack,

How about JCCCI (Jack Canavera's Casual Caravanners International)?

We could wear beanies with propellors to distinguish ourselves.

Another feature of the organization is no breakfast before 1pm

Where do I send my membership?

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Old 05-16-2004, 04:33 PM   #15
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OK, Jack, when is the JCCCI International Rally?
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Old 05-16-2004, 05:31 PM   #16
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Congratulations, Jack! WBCCI must be watching and seeing the growth this year in the Moraine View gathering. For sure, your invitation to this casual meeting fits the two of us much more than anything we have read in the Blue Beret. However, I'll keep the membership in the WBCCI for two reasons: 1) I like the big red numbers that are part of the history of our AS (!), and 2) I like supporting something that is part of the history of Airstreaming in general, although we personally could not stand one of those big rallies! WBCCI is part of the AS mistique to me, strange as that may seem, so we'll support it with our membership and hope some active senior WBCCI Airstreamer enjoys the value of our dollar!
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It really sounds like the case is that they are not catering to you and it is not falling onto place.
Put a little more effort into it instead of complaining to the forum.
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Hmmm. Excuse me? Who is bemoaning the lose of members and/or the lack of new members? And trolling for NEW members?
How much work should I have to do to not only be a member but be able to take part in all offered activities?
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Some people keep losing site of the fact it is ALL VOLUNTEER. Having snail mail provides connectivity for EVERYONE, not just those of us who are PC savvy. You gotta be willing to share the floor with all age groups not just ours.
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I do business, volunteer and commericial, all over the world. All the organizations I currently am active in use many methods of communication. In todays world, we use email, phone, fax, and back it up with snail mail. This makes it quick and easy to get the job done, and respond timely to questions. If an officer or chair does not have a pc or email, we 'loan' an address to that person to use.
If you insist on soley communicating via USPS, be prepared to see your numbers fall even lower.
Want members? Tailor the organization to the demographics of the those you are seeking to entice into joining. YOU change, you don't exect THEM to change to join you!
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Yeah. And??????
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Oh!, by the way, how many emails did you write to the WBCCI and the Blue Beret, (who do have email addresses), with these same complaints?
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Well, did get a phone number to contact the local unit. After leaving three messages with two different people, I decided anything I had to chase that hard was too much effort; I have a life, I have a family, I have friends, and of course my dogs and volunteer activities. You either want me for a member and make an effort to recruit me (how's that for a concept- recruit!) or........ you don't!
Is this where I should quote the old Groucho Marx bon mot? At least I think it was Groucho...... Any group that would have me I don't want to join, he purportedly said as he was invited to join a golf club.....

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Its a shame really. There is a huge potential member pool out there.
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After breakfast on Saturday morning, the treasurer holds court .
This Comment ALONE would keep me from joining the WBCCI. I STILL haven't seen or heard any reason to join the WBCCI. Although I haven't had the good fortune to meet Jack yet...He may have a few things to say that change my mind.

But for now, I say the JCCCI starts crashing the WBCCI Rally's! With Beanie Propellers a twirlin' !!!!

Do you think the WBCCI would get the point then????
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