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Old 04-06-2010, 05:44 PM   #57
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"Using membership information in this manner is a direct violation of WBCCI’s policies and is subject to legal action."
Can someone point me to the WBCCI policies related to the email addys? I am curious to see the wording.
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Old 04-06-2010, 06:21 PM   #58
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Can someone point me to the WBCCI policies related to the email addys? I am curious to see the wording.
Bylaws and Policy, Article XII, Official Publications, Sections 1 Bylaws, and, specifically, Club Publications, Policy A.5:

"Except as authorized by the Executive Committee, the Annual Membership Directory of the International Club or the Membership Directories or Rosters of Units shall not be made available to any individual who is not a member or to organizations not a part of the International Club in order to prevent the use of such Directories or Rosters for mailing lists and soliciting purposes." (1/19/96)

The above is worthless here, but don't forget the newest favorite weapon, the Code of Ethics: "...To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to its effect on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding." (6/23/01)
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Hey Twink,

Wally made him do it! He was tired of rolling in his grave.
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Hey Twink,

Wally made him do it! He was tired of rolling in his grave.
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Ah, yes - the Code of ethics. The Nuclear Option if you will. That catch all that anybody can be found guilty of (or in some cases not found guilty of if the need arises). It reminds me of that little clause we have at work that the boss likes to use when he wants us to do something that is clearly out of our job description - the "other Duties as directed". You can get anybody with that one, can't you.
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:25 AM   #62
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And, they are reminding new members of the need to follow the Code of Ethics.

It is going to be interesting to see how this all plays out over time.

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Old 04-07-2010, 09:37 AM   #63
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And, they are reminding new members of the need to follow the Code of Ethics.

It is going to be interesting to see how this all plays out over time.

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It's not an issue of following a code of Ethics.
It's a matter of the IBT interpreting the code of ethics overly broad.

This must now become a lawsuit to instruct the IBT how they are doing so incorrectly and in a conspiring manner.

All the more reason support Defend Wally


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Old 04-08-2010, 05:05 AM   #64
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SilverTwinkie,

Let’s say we take your stance and the IBT Presidents on the matter (which as you know, I don’t) and say it’s correct. How should a group of members with in the club go about trying to contact other members within the club to let them know of the many problems they have documented in regards to how the “IBT/EC7” has mismanaged the funds of the club and they want something done?

Do you think the very body that controls the Blue Beret is going to allow them to run a full page ad?

Do you think the very body that controls the contact information is going give it up “willingly”?

Would they allow a group to have a booth at the International Rally handing out information on the subject?

Since you’re a moderator on the WBCCI Forums, Will you allow a thread to be started on that forums about the subject and requesting donations to bring a case against the IBT/EC7 since we are told by the IBT/EC7 that the forums is a place for the WBCCI Members to communicate?

My guess the answer is “NO” for every single one.

So if the answer is no, How would you go about communicating this message out to the “general” membership of the WBCCI?
Well written. Freedom of expression is hard, it includes defending the rights of people to speak without censorship, even when you violently disagree with their opinions.

Silvertwinkie IS entitled to her opinion. Every member of WBCCI is entitled to HEAR her opinion. Every member of WBCCI is also entitled to hear the other side's opinion, and to examine the financial records and then make an informed decision about changing the accountability of the IBT for their decisions.

I respectfully submit that the IBT is saying that WBCCI members have NO right to hear anything, no matter how factual, that might alert the membership that money is being wasted, that all innovation is being quashed, and that harmony will be accomplished by removing every single member who disagrees with any of it's policy.

Dear IBT - My momma told me, "If you don't want to show your ass, don't wear cellophane pants."

Nothing the membership can do will embarass the IBT - if their conduct is honest and financially responsible and protects the broadest interests of a diverse membership. If you are an IBT member and feel embarrassed... well then why did you put on them cellophane pants? It's too late for a cover up now... We've all been hit square in the face with the view of your "diminishing assets..."

If you want to feel better about having your "diminishing assets" on display... well just remember those aren't YOUR assets, the money in the WBCCI treasury belongs to the members.


My dad was a WWII Army officer, a civilian who turned into an OCS "90 day wonder" officer (a.k.a. cannon fodder officer) - who walked into a German concentration camp with his company - and ended up in a psych ward. Ten years later, extensive shock treatments and a prefrontal lobotomy still hadn't erased the trauma. Some of his trauma rubbed off on every member of his family and the words "We will have order here" or anything that smacks of "we will not tolerate opposition of any kind" just makes me start to investigate.

Am I equating the IBT with Nazi's? Absolutely NOT. They'll never turn into them either... as long as their conduct is kept under public scrutiny.

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With all the complaining about the email by Collier only a handful opted out?

Of those no IBT folks, why?

That fact alone sends a strong message,
Howie has been threatened about it by the usual feckless lawfirm.

So I suppose Howie now concerned about legal action will refrain from sending additional emails.
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With all the complaining about the email by Collier only a handful opted out?

Of those no IBT folks, why?

That fact alone sends a strong message,
Howie has been threatened about it by the usual feckless lawfirm.

So I suppose Howie now concerned about legal action will refrain from sending additional emails.
What ARE you referring to, Bob? It's been nearly 30 days since the last post to this thread......??

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Just answer the question, Bob.

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"With all the complaining about the email by Collier only a handful opted out?

Of those no IBT folks, why?

That fact alone sends a strong message,
Howie has been threatened about it by the usual feckless lawfirm.

So I suppose Howie now concerned about legal action will refrain from sending additional emails.

Bob"

What ARE you referring to, Bob? It's been nearly 30 days since the last post to this thread......??

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