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Old 01-24-2011, 06:37 PM   #85
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Thumbs up GReat News from Mid-Winter IBT!

I have just recieved a telephone call from a member of the Executive Committee that a "special meeting" of the IBT was held today. President Beu has reversed his position due to the concerns of the Region Presidents. I have been assured that on Friday, Region 11 President Neumarkel will withdraw his motion #5 with the assurance from President Beu that the Constitution & Bylaws Committee will issue its letter of recommendation and the DENCO Unit motion to amend will be sent out to all the other Units of the Club.

I'm feeling pretty pumped!

Be sure to tune in Friday for the IBT simulcast!
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Old 01-24-2011, 07:19 PM   #86
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I have been assured that on Friday, Region 11 President Neumarkel will withdraw his motion #5 with the assurance from President Beu that the Constitution & Bylaws Committee will issue its letter of recommendation and the DENCO Unit motion to amend will be sent out to all the other Units of the Club.
That is great news!

I presume that the CBL committee's recommendation will be that the amendment not be passed, but that's their right. The main thing is to get it out there for a vote by the units in accordance with the WBCCI Constitution.
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Old 01-24-2011, 07:27 PM   #88
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I've just had a phone conversation with Region 11 President Neumarkel, and he believes all of this will be announced during the IBT Seminar scheduled tomorrow.

The seminar will serve as President Beu's confirmation of the agreement. Since Motion #5 is near the end of the agenda it is possible the seminar could carry over into Wednesday.

According to the WBCCI website:

"The Tuesday, January 25th, IBT Seminar will be broadcast from 8:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. The session usually breaks for lunch from 12 noon to 1 p.m."

"The Executive Board will meet on Monday, January 28th, beginning at 8:00 a.m. to be followed immediately by the International Board of Trustees meeting. There will be a break for lunch from approximately 12 noon to 1 p.m."

"Audio for the meetings will be streamed live. A windows Streaming Server is being used. Anyone who wants to listen to the meetings must use Windows Media Player and connect to the audio at http://WBCCI.primcast.com/WBCCI"

"The feed will begin approximately 10 minutes before the meeting begins. The microphone will be closed during recess and music will be played during this period."
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Old 01-24-2011, 07:31 PM   #89
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That's good news Forrest. I'll be listening!
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:55 PM   #90
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A big THANK YOU goes to Dan Neumarkel, Bob Moss and other IBT Region Presidents and members of the Executive Committee. This would not have happened without them.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:46 PM   #91
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I am absolutely stunned. I literally feel sickened by what has transpired at the Mid-Winter IBT meeting. There was an agreement and President Beu has dismissed the agreement by simply saying that he "misspoke." It was an incredible betrayal. He got Region 11 President Neumarkel to withdraw his motion #5, by agreeing to move the DENCO Unit motion to amend the Constitution forward, and then backs out of the agreement BUT prohibits Dan from making his motion, ruling that it would be unconstitutional.

Three Region Presidents and Treasurer Bob Moss spoke up, saying that there was an agreement. The President even admitted that there was an agreement, but persisted in ruling it unconstitutional.

What is there left to say?
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:58 PM   #92
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How about, "...you should have know better." So sorry Forrest, but what has changed here exactly?
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:59 PM   #93
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I hope none of you missed that Treasurer Bob Moss made a "motion", but that the President ignored it altogether.
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It really is sad, and very, very disheartening.

We attended the meeting today in Robstown, and the frustration and disgust on many faces as this went down was quite apparent.


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Old 01-28-2011, 02:52 PM   #95
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It's been apparent to me, since the C&BL Revision Committee's completely new constitution was announced, that the Region 11 amendment was toast.

I don't know what you call it in a constitutional convention--which is what the 2011 delegates meeting is going to be--but in the Patent & Trademark Office it would be called "an inteference"--where two people are trying to patent overlapping material at the same time. (The PTO has defined rules for handling it.)

Look at some possibilities:

1. HQ sends the amendment to the units, they vote on it before 2011 International, and it wins. The amendment is immediately adopted. (Article XVI Section 1 is independent of International meeting schedule.)

But it doesn't matter. The new amendment goes into the wastebasket along with the rest of the original constitution if the "new, improved, constitution" is adopted at the 2011 Delegates meeting.

2. The Region 11 amendment process isn't completed until after the new constitution is adopted at the 2011 Delegates meeting. It has succeeded in amending a constitution that no longer exists.

The Region 11 amendment comes into effect only if it is adopted and the proposed new constitution is not.

And that may be a possibility, considering this year's delegates meeting may turn into a real food fight. Recall from past controversies that the IBT and the Delegates are both "deliberative bodies"--which reminds us of Bismarck's quotation about the making of laws and sausages. Both messy and bloody processes.

I can't remember how many unit meetings I've attended where the elected delegates either asked for, or asked to be denied, the right to "vote their conscience", i.e. vote what they believed to be their unit's wishes--on amendments offered at the delegates meeting.

Some of the delegates are going to want changes before accepting the new constitution and others are likely to be unable to vote for any except the original proposal. It takes a 2/3 majority to amend the constitution--which the "new, improved, constitution" might very well not achieve.

And the devil is always in the details. I'll be waiting anxiously to see them.
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It's been apparent to me, since the C&BL Revision Committee's completely new constitution was announced, that the Region 11 amendment was toast.... It takes a 2/3 majority to amend the constitution--which the "new, improved, constitution" might very well not achieve..
How else were we to proceed? The CBL revision committee has been working in secrecy.

But you're right that it may have made our motion toast. I've been aware that it was likely going to be a conflict.

Here's the thing. Isn't the revision about giving members their vote? How does that square with just happened?

My view is that same as it has been for years. Leo has been saying it too. None of this is about Airstreams, or motorhomes or memberships. It is all about control. I fear that the revision will centralize that control. The members will all have a direct vote. So what? The control will still be retained by those who see themselves as entitled, and even more so with the revision.

Direct voting sounds good, but what if we only get to vote on what they put out there? It won't change anything for the elite.

Ask yourselves this, why are the president and past presidents so supportive of the revision? Are you thinking they are at long last going to be fair and give the membership a say?

I can hardly wait to read this revision.

And here's another question. The revision isn't an amendment to the current constitution. It replaces it. So, is a 2/3 majority needed, or just a majority?
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If , for the moment, we assume that the proposals coming from the revision committee are for the most part satisfactory I think we need to get behind it and do all possible to push it through with the idea of tweaking it later.

There is a great danger that this is going to turn into an even bigger fiasco than the MOHO issue as every one runs to protect their turf.

If this doesn't happen fast, it could go on for years while the membership continues to disappear.

It would probably be good to continue with Forrest's motion also. If the constitution doesn't change it is needed. Probably a plan B motion will be needed if the changes do take place
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How else were we to proceed? The CBL revision committee has been working in secrecy.
You have done all you could possibly do. It gets back to your original comments about "good faith".

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I can hardly wait to read this revision.
Me too. As you say, the issue is, do the members actually get any say-so, or does power continue to be consolidated, now in an even smaller group of people.

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And here's another question. The revision isn't an amendment to the current constitution. It replaces it. So, is a 2/3 majority needed, or just a majority?
The new constitution has to be accepted under the current constitution. So it's still 2/3. I don't doubt that the executive committee will pull out all the stops to promote the new constitution to the membership. But then, they did that with the name change and the motor home amendments, and you see how those turned out. If there are fatal flaws, it's up to us to point them out. They can always try again in 2012
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