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Old 04-27-2011, 08:59 AM   #239
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I wonder if this debate over constitution amendments has sucked all the air out of any effort to elect new people and have them move through the system and take over the organization? New people are the best way to change things (if they don't become just like the old people by the time they get there).

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Old 04-27-2011, 09:55 AM   #240
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Just a note on the club's accounting of travel expenses. The cost of the "special" advance caravan to the next international rally site traveling from the recently completed international rally is not included in the allowances that have been quoted. This is a separate general ledger account and there are no limitations to expense amounts. This account will also include any travel by the international officers, committee chairman, etc. that could be associated with planning an international rally.

One other account that holds travel expenses not restricted by the bylaws is "advertising". In the past, this account has held travel expenses of international officers to attend trade shows, RV shows with the purpose of promoting the WBCCI.
Thanks for posting that. With fewer members the club just can not sustain that kind of open spending. I believe those funds are to serve the leadership in their glory reign and touring. It was said that the IP curtailed some of the "giveaways" for the international promotion which can and have also been substantial and suggested limiting incentives to a small number. I do wonder how effective rally promotion and the monies spent is. Rally attendence is way down. It isn't because of advance caravans or trinkets and bags and ribbons or the traveling show to regions and units across the country to plug the International. It has to be the perceived value to cost and the lack of entertaining and fun events to pack up the family, take off of work, use up your vacation, drive cross country on your own dime, pay through the nose to attend the few short days the general membership mostly attend and then basically swear off all the formal ceremonies, seminars, meetings, contests to find yourself only meeting at happy hour to be with your friends. Alumapalooza or the Birthday Bash have waiting lists after the full number is filled. If one plans a bangup rally, they will come. That is the problem. The International Rally except for the element of meeting together with Airstreamers from all over the country falls short of the measure of an entertaining and fun vacation and as we are often reminded by those paid to travel by our higher dues that it is a business convention. It is for them and about them. Make no mistake they customize to the catering of each other in the internaional club. Buildings with AC are the stuff that makes leadership's heart pitter patter, with as short a walk as possible from hall to hall, lest they get caught and need to actually mingle with membership in the fairground. For a treat they should wait in the bullpen two days and then get put in doggie section when the electric or water doesn't show up on time.
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Old 05-01-2011, 07:15 AM   #241
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Can someone tell me where a copy of Don Shafer's CBL report can be seen along with Denco's rebuttal?
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Old 05-01-2011, 10:14 AM   #242
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C&BC Report & Rebuttal

Here is Don's report and DENCO's rebuttal.
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Old 05-01-2011, 01:55 PM   #243
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Forrest, Thanks for Posting. The arguments made by the Denver unit make perfect sense. It is too bad they were not taken positively as they were presented and acted upon.
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Old 05-02-2011, 07:15 AM   #244
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Forrest, Thanks for Posting. The arguments made by the Denver unit make perfect sense. It is too bad they were not taken positively as they were presented and acted upon.
Thats because the leadership does not take member input as valuable. Remember its their club. They have the power of the purse and are not likely to give it up. Everyone in the club has a choice, you can either pay and continue to be abused or you can leave! The choice is yours.

When they finally wake up the membership will be gone and no amount of government will fix it.

The problem is not the rules, the problem is the whole premise for defining a relationship among friends. People want to have fun and get away from the rules. The best units to belong to are the ones where the blue book was thrown in the trash and people made it their mission to be neighborly! You guys (and gals) know those units because you belong to them. those are the units that had the highest growth rates in the last ten years. they are successful and that breeds more success. Throw the whole set of rules in the trash get rid of the national offices, keep the admin in the central office for maintanence and be done with it!

Units are their own entity and cost far less per year than maintaining a huge beauracracy! Power to the Units!
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Old 08-06-2011, 04:32 PM   #245
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Exclamation Show time!

I see there haven't been any posts to this thread since the official "Region 11 Amendment" package was sent to unit presidents by HQ in late May.

The proposed new, improved WBCCI constitution did not happen at International, so the Region 11/DenCO/Forrest amendment--what ever you want to call it--is still very much alive.

Our unit will be voting on this motion at our fall business meeting in September, and I hope other units will do the same.
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Old 08-06-2011, 04:44 PM   #246
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I believe Forrest has stepped aside so someone with a good grasp of the current Constitution is going to have to step forward and champion this effort. With someone staying on top of this the Leadership will let it die a natural death or have someone write a bogus report stating it is violation of Ohio law.
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Old 08-06-2011, 06:35 PM   #247
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Our unit will also vote in September. I'm not sure 2/3 of the units will discuss it. Let's hope.
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Old 08-07-2011, 01:18 AM   #248
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It is on the agenda for the Oregon units annual meeting the end of August.
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:39 AM   #249
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Northern Illinois Approved at our May Rally and forwarded to Jackson Center. Cindy say she received 11 units' votes, as of a month ago.
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I'm in the Fl unit, have not heard anything. jim
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Old 08-07-2011, 01:24 PM   #251
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I'm in the Fl unit, have not heard anything. jim
If it is the Fl. unit controlled by residents of Travelers Rest you will not hear about it as the concentration of current and X Leadership there fears this like the plague. In fact, as noted above, I would not be surprised that Barracks Lawyer there writes a report stating it is not legal under Ohio law .
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Old 08-07-2011, 01:30 PM   #252
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I would not be surprised that Barracks Lawyer there writes a report stating it is not legal under Ohio law .
I guess, then, if it passes, they can take WBCCI to court!

Hmmmm. . . where have I heard that before. . . ?
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