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HowieE · 09-18-2011, 02:03 PM

I will e mail an officer in each unit and ask them to post the result of their units vote here.

Ed Emerick · 09-18-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coloradobus

Now that we are in the month of September, how is the Denco Amendment doing amongst the Units. Anyone know a tally so far, yey, or nay?

Passed with a YAY, only one nay.....

RickDavis · 10-14-2011, 09:55 AM

We are getting pretty well into the fall meeting and voting season.
Can anyone else report results from their unit not previously posted here?
In the case of the TN unit the issue had apparently fallen through the cracks but I now have assurances that the info package will be sent to the unit membership and it will be voted on before the deadline.
If it has not yet come up at your unit it might be a good thing to check on it and also check with JC to see if receipt of the info pack sent out in May was acknowledged as requested by JC

LI Pets · 10-14-2011, 05:33 PM

As of Sept 27th HQ has received 17 votes - 12 to ratify and 5 to reject.

Soooo about 100 units have not responded

SilverCabin · 10-15-2011, 01:31 PM

The Florida Unit meets to vote on this and other matters of business on November 5.

Randy

wkerfoot · 10-15-2011, 08:24 PM

The El Camino Real Unit voted on this motion at the annual membership meeting this morning. The motion was approved with no dissenting votes.

The voting results will be forwarded to Jackson Center.

Bill

Blue Pearl · 10-16-2011, 12:29 AM

The Oregon unit voted on the motion today with 117 yes votes . As one member said ". A non - profit organization is best served when the general membership have an active say in the organization and we agreed.

Aviator · 10-16-2011, 04:20 AM

Does it take a simple majority of the units voting to pass or 2/3 of voting units?

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Does it take a majority of all units with units not voting counting as "no" votes?

RickDavis · 10-16-2011, 06:55 AM

It requires it to pass by a vote of 2/3rds of the units. (not 2/3 of the units voting)

Since 2/3rd of the units must pass it I would guess a unit not voting would be affectively be a NO vote. Or at least it wouldn't be a yes

HowieE · 10-16-2011, 07:00 AM

These votes have to be in Jackson Center by when?

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RickDavis · 10-16-2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HowieE

These votes have to be in Jackson Center by when?

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May 20, 2012

Aviator · 10-16-2011, 04:56 PM

2/3 of the units with any unit not holding a vote counting as a "no" sets the bar rather high.

Nuvite-F · 10-16-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aviator

2/3 of the units with any unit not holding a vote counting as a "no" sets the bar rather high.

Yes, it does, which is probably why no amendment has ever passed this way.

It is analogous to amendments to the US Constitution requiring ratification by the states. Effectively a state can vote "no" either by voting "no" or simply by not bringing it to a vote, a method generally preferred by politicians.
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HowieE · 10-16-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuvite-F

Yes, it does, which is probably why no amendment has ever passed this way.

It is analogous to amendments to the US Constitution requiring ratification by the states. Effectively a state can vote "no" either by voting "no" or simply by not bringing it to a vote, a method generally preferred by politicians.
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Lets not declare a lose this early. It is my understanding that this approach has never been tried before.

Clearly those units that have voted are in support of the Amendment. The issue remains for those supporting the Amendment begin to get out there and talk to friends in other units and making sure that every unit has a vote on this subject and on the Motor Home issue as well.

Apathy is the Leaderships strongest weapon. They know that if they live long enough and they don't spend all the money the membership will dwindle to a point where they can pass anything.

mbmbstreamer · 10-16-2011, 06:57 PM

I believe the leadership of every unit is obligated to bring the DenCo amendment for a vote. The WBCCI sent the proposal to each unit president for action in their business meeting. Each unit is required to hold a meeting each year.

If a unit does not conduct business in a year, they no longer have elected leadership.

Nuvite-F · 10-16-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mbmbstreamer

I believe the leadership of every unit is obligated to bring the DenCo amendment for a vote. The WBCCI sent the proposal to each unit president for action in their business meeting. Each unit is required to hold a meeting each year.

I agree with you, but what does "obligated" really mean? Will the powers-that-be revoke the charters of units that don't meet this "obligation"? Will they file grievances (for misfeasance?) against unit presidents that fail to bring the matter to a vote as they are "obligated" to do?

The obvious answer is "none of the above". In general the powers-that-be do not favor this amendment and it's simplicity itself to mail out the motion--as required by the constitution--and then let apathy on the part of unit presidents take its course.
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SilverCabin · 10-18-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuvite-F

I agree with you, but what does "obligated" really mean? Will the powers-that-be revoke the charters of units that don't meet this "obligation"? Will they file grievances (for misfeasance?) against unit presidents that fail to bring the matter to a vote as they are "obligated" to do?

The obvious answer is "none of the above". In general the powers-that-be do not favor this amendment and it's simplicity itself to mail out the motion--as required by the constitution--and then let apathy on the part of unit presidents take its course.
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Apathy on the part of the unit presidents can be overcome by the unit membership pressuring their executive board to take action.

Randy

wkerfoot · 10-18-2011, 09:17 AM

Yes, if the members know that there is something for them to consider.

Bill

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Originally Posted by SilverCabin

Apathy on the part of the unit presidents can be overcome by the unit membership pressuring their executive board to take action.

Randy

RickDavis · 10-18-2011, 10:28 AM

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Apathy on the part of the unit presidents can be overcome by the unit membership pressuring their executive board to take action.

Randy

The package from JC was sent out on may 20 2011. It was requested that the unit president confirm receipt within 10 days.

If you ask JC will tell you whether the receipt was ever confirmed and probably whether it has been voted on. I don't know if they will tell you what the vote was. The ballot returned after voting is simply a for or against, not a vote count.

The reason for asking if it has been voted on is it is entirely possible that the unit officer just checked a box and sent it back with out bringing it before the unit. I suspect that this has happened occasionally.