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Old 02-08-2011, 09:37 PM   #155
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I nominate Don!
Of course! How could I have forgotten the cigar party at the Birthday Bash so quickly!

OK--now that we have established the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms committee, I guess the next thing we need to do is establish the official Unit drink(s), cigar(s), and firearm(s).

In drinks, I know that at least the Margarita, Old Fashioned, and Gin and Tonic have been placed in nomination from the floor. (Plus any number of brands of beer.)

We'll let Don pick the official cigar.

For firearms, I am leaning toward the Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum for the official sidearm and Remington 700 in .308 Winchester for the rifle.

The international set may think they have something in the flag ceremony, but wait till they see our unit come to Present Arms for the Pledge of Allegiance!
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Old 02-08-2011, 10:16 PM   #156
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In short the articles of inc are less than a page, nothing is reshaping the club that would require they be changed.
Really? Then please explain why on December 2, 1963 the Articles of Incorporation needed to be amended for the sole reason that "International" was added to the WBCC name?
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Old 02-08-2011, 10:31 PM   #157
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More food for thought. If the club Constitution and Bylaws are completely changed, then no Unit that was chartered under the old Constitution needs to transition to the new club, unless it wants to. A charter is a contract, and if the contract changes both sides have to agree to that. Any Unit, or Intraclub for that matter, might be free to go its own way, with its treasury and structure intact. Maybe the new Constitution and Bylaws has more promise than we imagine!
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Old 02-08-2011, 10:44 PM   #158
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Really? Then please explain why on December 2, 1963 the Articles of Incorporation needed to be amended for the sole reason that "International" was added to the WBCC name?
Forrest, chillax about the Articles of Incorporation.

One of the very few things specified in the Articles of Incorporation is the name of the club; that's what it's known as in the world. If you incorporated General Motors, that's the entities' name; if you later wanted to change that to Government Motors (which maybe they should have) then you would have to change the articles of incorporation.

They amended the AoI in 1963 when they changed the name of the club from Wally Byam's Caravan Club to Wally Byam Caravan Club, International, a different name than it was previously known by.

Come to think of it, they would have had to amend the AoI if they had passed the name change a few years ago--but amending the AoI is no big deal. (Providing the Secretary of State didn't know about somebody else using that name already--which is a more common problem than most people realize.)
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Old 02-08-2011, 11:33 PM   #159
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Forrest, chillax about the Articles of Incorporation.
Hey, it was a rhetorical question!

I'm just being skeptical and suspicious. The idea that the C&B Revision Committee has thought of everything, and it's going to be as wonderful as sliced bread, and if we just ratify it all will be well, sounds a little too good to be true.
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Old 02-09-2011, 04:05 AM   #160
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:28 AM   #161
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Hey, it was a rhetorical question!

I'm just being skeptical and suspicious. The idea that the C&B Revision Committee has thought of everything, and it's going to be as wonderful as sliced bread, and if we just ratify it all will be well, sounds a little too good to be true.
Forest each time we spoke it was it a lighter tone, I don't understand all your skepticism without reading the doc.

At the delegates meeting each article will debated if they wish, then voted on, one by one.

A copy will be posted on Wbcci.org, a power point presentation is in the works which will go out to each unit, it will be likely published in the BB.

All committee members will be available to address any concerns or issues that ANY member may have via phone on scheduled call time or email.
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"A copy will be posted on Wbcci.org, a power point presentation is in the works which will go out to each unit, it will be likely published in the BB."

"All committee members will be available to address any concerns or issues that ANY member may have via phone on scheduled call time or email."


May I suggest the members/Unit Prez, etc… would be far better served by getting an “independent” voice on the pros/cons of the new Constitution that is being presented? The Power Point would be the equivalent of Ford car/truck marketing literature and going to a member of the committee that did the re-write would be like going to the Ford dealer asking them the pros/cons of buying a Ford car/truck.
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May I suggest the members/Unit Prez, etc… would be far better served by getting an “independent” voice on the pros/cons of the new Constitution that is being presented?
Nice to have the idea, but how would you suggest that happens?
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Think about the most recent timeline of events and others in the past: do you REALLY need to ask why there is skepticism and cynicism?. The carrot being dangled here is far from fresh.
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From the fewer registrations signed up for this year at DuQuoin I wonder how many units will not have a delegate or alternate present at all. Of those present I wonder how many will be instructed by their units to vote their conscience? Who was it that said that the only ones left will be the segment of passive membership that will agree with leadership no matter what? Boondocker? He may well be right. The convention doesn't fit the fun fellowship or adventure or affordability criteria of most members. Neither does the delegate meeting seem to fit its bill as a delegates meeting when the agenda and meeting is led and presided over by the EC. Here we face an even stickier wicket, yet again originating not from membership, but originating from the Executive Committee and may attempt to dissolve the checks and balance of the deliberative body of delegates entirely in exchange for a single vote 1M1V. More deals? Feeling lucky?? Instead of proposing amendments you will each get your individual vote upon the ones that are presented for you to vote upon. And while they are at it they may remove that "not necessary" method of passing amendments circumventing the IBT too. Afterall we asked for a smaller body of leadership and its for sure the EC is not agreeable to eliminating themselves or relegating any of their power. And has been the WBCCI gold row standard, your only choice will be to choose what they want to give you to choose from. That's our free election system.
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Can we carry on these Constitution issues here?
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Actually, this thread is still very much valid, as it has to do with the constitutional amendment proposed by Region 11 which is still in progress. If ratified by the units, it will go into effect in the event that the proposed new constitution is not adopted at the 2011 delegates meeting.
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Actually, this thread is still very much valid, as it has to do with the constitutional amendment proposed by Region 7 which is still in progress. If ratified by the units, it will go into effect in the event that the proposed new constitution is not adopted at the 2011 delegates meeting.
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