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Old 02-08-2011, 03:56 AM   #141
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What some of you might not be taking into consideration is that this controversy has created real health issues for some of our members. Several people in my Unit have reported feeling physically ill. Others have had difficulty sleeping, are suffering from depression, anxiety, high blood pressure. One has stated he isn't healthy enough to deal with it. My wife is a stroke survivor, but still has health issues and this battle has had a detrimental effect on her.

Some of you are at war over the club, and I understand, but it isn't right to drag others into the fight when they can't handle it. So, like it or not I accept the accord. People are more important than rules.
Forrest, I agree with your statement a good deal, however, my Grandfather(the single most influence in the man I became) always told me "It takes two to make a fight" That is so true, it does take two. He had a second half to his advice. "If you do have to fight, fight like your life depends on it."
The people doing the "fighting" are doing so because they care and they are sick and tired of towing the line. If people in your unit are getting "physically ill" over this, they might want to see a Doctor right away. Daily life is more stressful that this situation. To blame peoples personal illness on this situation is a bit absurd and a bit out of context for a man that brought forth such insightful legislation.
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Old 02-08-2011, 10:52 AM   #142
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It reminds me when an expelled member refused to return historical memorabilia back to Metro NY.

Same sickening feeling.
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Old 02-08-2011, 11:24 AM   #143
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Thumbs down Feelings of Unwellness

Feelings of unwellness seem to spring pandemic within the WBCCI.

We have witnessed all manner of contrivances to expell from membership, to disallow from club business, to initiate threatening lawyer letters, to control and supress communication, to deceive, misguide and corrupt in a succession of backroom deals and underhanded machinations and betrayals.

This concerted aggression of leadership lodged exclusively against members is bound to make anyone sick, but especially those that have found themselves on the receiving end of the assaults. The club is definitely being held ransom and facing fatal consequences. These years of the WBCCI's uncivil war and unrest have driven membership numbers to new lows and to allege from the board meeting that the blame is on membership is as arrogant as it is ludicrous.

Where's an impartial hearing of infractions of the code of ethics and the dereliction of duty when you need one? Oh that's right the request was withdrawn by MNU and Bob.
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Lipets--that post was out of context and rude. Don't start a new fight over past actions. zz
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:25 PM   #145
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Forrest,

After hearing some of the IBT meeting via the link you provided, I am more sure than ever the IBT/EC7 will not stop until they have a new MOHO in the WBCCI stable.

A bunch of IBT guys carrying the flag on that one.
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:26 PM   #146
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Constition Re-write

First, as others have said, we need this Revised Constitution out for all to review.
Our fear, is it will be held close up to Du Quoin, then dispersed so the membership has little time to digest and discuss it.
Re-writing the WBCCI constitution is one thing, but WILL all the Units have to re-write their own Contitutions, if the new WBCCI constitution is accepted.
If Units must do a re-write, who will oversee/guide this process? Anyone, any insight, hindsight?
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If all the units will need to change their constitutions, the IBT has succeeded in sucking the fun out of the only level that seems to understand the purpose of this club.

We need to really evaluate what we can gain by all this time, effort and resources spent on writing rules and regulations. I know I don't want to attend any rally with a meeting to hash out rules and regs and a new constitution when the old one is perfectly fine (in my opinion). I most certainly (and happily - probably with a margarita in hand) gather to discuss travel plans, rally ideas, campout ideas, caravan ideas, facebook and twitter ideas, restoration ideas, route ideas.....

Do you think we have ever lost a member because the WBCCI didn't offer enough meetings???
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Old 02-08-2011, 05:41 PM   #148
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If Units must do a re-write, who will oversee/guide this process? Anyone, any insight, hindsight?
I had to just recently submit the DENCO Unit Constitution and Bylaws to the Int'l Constitution and Bylaws Committee for its 5 year review. If you listen to the Mid-Winter IBT seminar, Don Shafer's report, I think I remember him saying that the the reason Unit C&B have to be reviewed is because of IRS regulations & non-profit status. At least that is how he defended requiring Units to do that because, as he admitted, it's not in the Blue Book.

Anyway, that requirement wouldn't change with an entirely new Int'l C&B. So, some committee in the future, reshaped, club would need to do that, wouldn't they? And obviously, each Unit would then have to go through the process of redoing their C&B to conform to the Int'l version.

Another question that needs addressing is, if the new revised C&B completely reshapes the Club, then wouldn't it be a NEW Club that requires a new or at least revised Ohio Articles of Incorporation?

I'm very interested in whether the revision committee gave any of this thought, and if they say how much it is going to cost, both in terms of legal fees, filing fees, and HQ staff.
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Old 02-08-2011, 06:10 PM   #149
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First, as others have said, we need this Revised Constitution out for all to review.
Our fear, is it will be held close up to Du Quoin, then dispersed so the membership has little time to digest and discuss it.
Re-writing the WBCCI constitution is one thing, but WILL all the Units have to re-write their own Contitutions, if the new WBCCI constitution is accepted.
If Units must do a re-write, who will oversee/guide this process? Anyone, any insight, hindsight?
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The problem is this "new" constitution, without by-laws, shrouded in mystery will create such uncertainty and confusion that it will likely be years before a functioning document is in place. Look how long it has taken the Denver unit to follow the directions of a single, relatively short article to propose an amendment.

It's hard for me to see a satisfactory outcome anytime in the near future if at all.

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First, as others have said, we need this Revised Constitution out for all to review.
Our fear, is it will be held close up to Du Quoin, then dispersed so the membership has little time to digest and discuss it.
I can imagine the next few months being characterized by a full-court press in the Blue Beret, exclaiming the glories of the new constitution and bylaws, but without any specifics. Then amid drum rolls and fanfares the new constitution first sees the light of day at the delegates meeting, where all the delegates present are expected to jump to their feet with thunderous applause and vote it in by acclamation.

It behooves us to exhort our units to vote NO on the new constitution unless we have had time to read it and think about it a little by our spring business meetings. That’s certainly what I plan to do.

And, new constitution or not, it counts as an amendment under the existing constitution under which it must be adopted—if it is to be adopted. Article XVI, Section 3 of the existing constitution—the one that the powers that be insist applies to the amendment proposed by Region 11—says that the C&BL committee has to report out the proposed amendment for distribution to the units by March 20. So we shall see.

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Re-writing the WBCCI constitution is one thing, but WILL all the Units have to re-write their own Constitutions, if the new WBCCI constitution is accepted.
If Units must do a re-write, who will oversee/guide this process? Anyone, any insight, hindsight?
Presumably units will be required to amend their constitutions to eliminate any inconsistencies with the new, improved international constitution. And I presume these amendments would be dictated by the Constitution and Bylaws Czar.

A couple of musings here. . .

1. If a unit has to rewrite it’s constitution, it might want to think about writing WBCCI out of it and incorporating as an independent entity. Incorporating ain’t no big thang. The savings in one year’s dues to the international would probably pay for the lawyer and filing fees.
Just a thought. . .

2. What if the C&BL Czar commanded a unit to revise its constitution and the unit refused? The international club’s recourse would be to revoke the unit’s charter. This might not be an altogether bad thing. It would provide a means from separating the unit from the WBCCI—preserving it intact as an unincorporated association—without the messy process of dissolving the unit.
Something else to think about. . .

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If all the units will need to change their constitutions, the IBT has succeeded in sucking the fun out of the only level that seems to understand the purpose of this club.

We need to really evaluate what we can gain by all this time, effort and resources spent on writing rules and regulations. I know I don't want to attend any rally with a meeting to hash out rules and regs and a new constitution when the old one is perfectly fine (in my opinion). I most certainly (and happily - probably with a margarita in hand) gather to discuss travel plans, rally ideas, campout ideas, caravan ideas, facebook and twitter ideas, restoration ideas, route ideas.....
Hey, Sandy—you gave me a great idea! If we have to rewrite our unit constitution and bylaws I want to set up a standing committee for Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms! You can be the Alcohol chairman and I’ll take Firearms. Do we have any cigar smokers in the unit to take Tobacco??

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Another question that needs addressing is, if the new revised C&B completely reshapes the Club, then wouldn't it be a NEW Club that requires a new or at least revised Ohio Articles of Incorporation?
I am not a lawyer, but to the best of my knowledge and belief the answer is, no. The Articles of Incorporation are very brief and very general. Note, also, that the word “Airstream” does not appear in them. http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/reports/...&Din=D067_1917

The Articles of Incorporation were only revised once, in 1963, when the name was changed from “Wally Byam’s Caravan Club” to “Wally Byam Caravan Club, International”.

The Ohio nonprofit corporation laws are here for anyone who wants to read them.

Lawriter - ORC - Chapter 1702: NONPROFIT CORPORATION LAW
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Another question that needs addressing is, if the new revised C&B completely reshapes the Club, then wouldn't it be a NEW Club that requires a new or at least revised Ohio Articles of Incorporation?
Why send out messages making assumptions at this point, wait till it's published PLEASE.

In short the articles of inc are less than a page, nothing is reshaping the club that would require they be changed.

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Hey, Sandy—you gave me a great idea! If we have to rewrite our unit constitution and bylaws I want to set up a standing committee for Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms! You can be the Alcohol chairman and I’ll take Firearms. Do we have any cigar smokers in the unit to take Tobacco??
I nominate Don!
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SOOOOOOOO, Give a timeline ( a date) when the New Constitution is available, so we may stop all the conjecture. Soon doesn't cut it. A date please.
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