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Old 09-01-2008, 10:32 AM   #85
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I am convinced the propblems within the WBCCI stem from the structure of the organization.

Part of the problem with the WBCCI is that it is so large (74 pages of bylaws) and has three levels of management (IBT/REGIONS/Units).
Jim

And the form of the controll processes.

I would gladly devote time to forming a new club. Personally I like SOFI. Secret Order of Flamingoe's where the I is silence.

I would be honored to host a Northeast rally not affiliated with WBCCI for the new club next season. Any Co host's ?

With regard to the legal issues if we do not have a name or bylaws and you cann't find us how do you suit us because there is no "us"? The whole bylaw thing I find problematic. I quess it's necessary.

Frankly I think Airstream would welcome our efforts if well done.
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Frankly I think Airstream would welcome our efforts if well done.
Welcome aboard Over59,

I do believe that you have said something here!

I, obviously, agree whole heatedly with your sentiments.

From what we have seen here in this thread I suspect that many others share your thoughts about creating a club that will be something that we all will be able to take pride in. By following your suggestion we should be able to build something that a good number of people will want to be a part of thereby attracting members with diverse interests and backgrounds.

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Old 09-01-2008, 11:22 AM   #87
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I would gladly devote time to forming a new club. Personally I like SOFI. Secret Order of Flamingoes. . .
Love it! By our flamingoes they will know us. . .

Now we need to work on a secret handshake. . .
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Love it! By our flamingoes they will know us. . .

Now we need to work on a secret handshake. . .
Ya! I'm challenged with some hand signals though; I can only do the Spock Vulcan hand greeting with my left hand. For some reason I cannot will the fingers on my right hand to work properly for that particular sign.

Will I be penalized it I do the handshake incorrectly?

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And the form of the controll processes.

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Mia culpa. I got so excited about your suggestion that we work hard to ensure a quality product that I completely forgot to include a response to your words above about CONTROL.

From my perspective the last thing that we should do is include "stuff" that is restrictive in our documentation (bylaws).

From my experience this is an area where a lot of organizations create problems for themselves. For some reason there are lots of folks out there who are of the opinion that things MUST be done a certain way. I am NOT one of them.

I sure hope that is NOT something that we get caught up in here.

For example, I would like to think that what someone cares to put on their trailer or MH is no ones business but theirs.

I have to admit that I am not much hung up on "what it looks like". I much prefer "that it works right".

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I said Id join a new club,but now we are back talkin bout rules and by-laws and presidents and treasurers and it will go back to what already exists excluding anyone who hasn't yet experienced owning an AS but wants too. Its supposed to be about campin an fun and adventure.
We attended a rally in Mich where everyone was welcome and it Worked.
I don't think we want to join any club now
Hey Roger (Mikethefixit) Brad and I had a great time at the two forum rallies we attended with you and all the Metro Detroit and Ohio and Rivette folks. I think ideas for a new modern club of Airstreamers might just be a wonderful way to get even more Airstreamers together if the club is highly visible and promoted and delivers opportunities for fun events. And think of all the people new to Airstreaming buying their first Airstream. I don't think Airstream or the dealers are trying to talk people into the WBCCI any more. A new club would reach more and more people to get together with. Hey rules are not my cup of tea either, but if all goes properly we won't even have to think of them, everything will just flow. It's only because WBCCI has made such a convoluted and difficult mess of it that has us all reeling from that stinging effect! I think Jim and the others are right, organizations need to have some framework. The bonus of this is you can help create it and are assured you can even change it to best reflect what the members want at any given time!!!
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Mikethefixit is Roger...

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Hey Roger (Mikethefixit)
Gulp, blush, blush...

Boy, don't I feel like the complete fool for assuming your name was Mike.

Roger, I am very sorry for my mistake.

This does raise an interesting point though.

While anonymity is a wonderful thing in forums I wonder if we should be using our first names in our posts?

Conversations tend to be more friendly and cordial when we "know" each other. There certainly was lots of interest in this type of stuff yesterday.

Perhaps I wouldn't make such a fool of myself again. But having said that, being a guy I excel at making mistakes; it has something to do with the "following directions" gene and other such things according to SWMBO.

I apologize for my mistake but I am sure I will make other mistakes even though I will always try to do the best that I can.

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Well, if anyone here, finds out who am I, please be certain to let me know. I've been struggling with that all my life. And it seems this identity crisis may even have become pandemic...

OK just teasing. First names are fine with me, but the WBCCI will have to just have to hunt me down if they want me.
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...While anonymity is a wonderful thing in forums I wonder if we should be using our first names in our posts?...
the fact (or fallacy) that mike's name isn't mike is all the more funny, which leads to friendly...

his name might really be 'fix or 'it, either work for me (so does roger) and are no less friendly 'names'...

OR we could just call everyone bob or rock or later.

pick up on HOW folks sign posts, if they do, and just use that and above all respect privacy...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...red-19576.html

i still c the urge to generate rules that aren't needed at the core of this new enterprise

less is more.

are u familiar with the turtle club?

having been a member for 29 years, and reached the level of past imperial turtle,

i liked the 'grand snapping turtle' title more...

pre-web we had a LOT more mystery, secrecy and intrigue in the turtle club,

but, they got just the right # of rules a badge, a certificate and vehicle insignia...

Ancient Order of Turtles

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Old 09-01-2008, 02:06 PM   #94
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Don't mean to hijack BUT (she said getting ready to toss the fertilizer into the ventilator)......

Sooner or later someone will have to say this.
  • Will the WBCCI be able to keep it's non-profit status if they start wholesale expulsions/suspensions? Sadly, the IRS gets real interested in "non-profits" which have been hijacked for the benefit of a ruling cadre, rather than the leaders SERVING their membership. I believe that the IBT members are honestly trying to keep their vision of the WBCCI "the way it was/should be" - and they honestly think that they've waited for 20 years to lead, so they are not accountable to anyone.
  • If the WBCCI loses 2/3 or more of it's members by taking a "quality, not quantity" stance is the impetus for forming an alternate club (perhaps even supported by Airstream itself) will some lawyer file suit to take 2/3 or more of the WBCCI's treasury?
  • If the WBCCI simply ends up like the Shaker church - an empty museum (they practiced celibacy-a policy that resulted in negative growth over time...) who DOES get their treasury?
I know a lot of people who've enjoyed their WBCCI rallies and friendships will either ignore the IBT or try to make the club more responsive and I'll even contribute to that effort, but if change doesn't happen within a year or so, I'd predict an "international" where every member has three digit numbers.

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i still c the urge to generate rules that aren't needed at the core of this new enterprise

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2air,

I plead ignorance your honor. I don't have a clue as to what you are referring to.

Clairvoyance has never been my strong suit; just ask SWMBO.

I do not want to speak for anyone else but I suspect others may not get it either.

Can you please be more specific so we all can understand your issue/concern.

Thanks,

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Love it! By our flamingoes they will know us. . .

Now we need to work on a secret handshake. . .
That's fine but what about the ladies?
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Paula, not sure if you are serious or tongue-in-cheek, but I'm pretty sure that the by-laws of any 501(c)3 have to spell out what happens to the assets of said organization if it "folds". And no, the officers/directors can't simply take the money and run. In the back of my mind, I believe that it has to be distributed to other non-profits in some manner. But I could be totally wrong. Somebody will know the answer.

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New Name Stuff

I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't play one on tv, but in the law there is something about different companies using similar names. Basically, IIRC, a new company can't use a name that substantially similar to an existing company WITHOUT THE PERMISSION of the older company.

I seriously doubt that this new enterprise would ever obtain the permission of the WBCCI to use any part of that name. Airstream is a different animal, though. I see that as doable, but not guaranteed. This forum is one example to point to.

Just may 2 cents. Remember, you get what you pay for (usually).

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