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Old 08-30-2008, 09:33 PM   #57
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Jim don't take this the wrong way but you're getting ahead of your self talking about the structure of the club.

You're an Airstream owner what about a year?
With less than 100 posts

There are many people here that you should be getting input from before you post your ideas.

I agree, if you haven't had an AS for 40 years you shouldn't voice an opinion.

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Old 08-30-2008, 09:49 PM   #58
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Jim don't take this the wrong way but you're getting ahead of your self talking about the structure of a Airstream club.

You're an Airstream owner what about a year?
With less than 100 posts

There are many people here that you should be getting input from before you post your ideas.
He is posting HIS ideas. You should post YOUR ideas and others should do the same.

How can he or anyone else get input if they don't post their ideas?

From your post, I take it that you're inferring he needs permission before posting his ideas and I take exception to that
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Old 08-30-2008, 09:49 PM   #59
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I once lived in a small town in Colorado where we were told that since we had lived there only 8 years we didn't know what was best for the town and didn't have a right to vote. I guess this pertains to Airstream ownership vs. starting a new club. I wonder how long I need to be an Airstream owner to be eligible to join an Airstream club?...I think this is where I came in.................
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Old 08-30-2008, 09:54 PM   #60
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Jim don't take this the wrong way but you're getting ahead of your self talking about the structure of a Airstream club.

You're an Airstream owner what about a year?
With less than 100 posts

There are many people here that you should be getting input from before you post your ideas.
Sounds like a response from the IBT. Just pay your dues and leave the important decisions to those of us that count.

BTW, I've owned my Airstream a little over two years, do I count?
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:08 PM   #61
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Please don't miss understand my point, but if you have little or no experience with the structure and problems with the WBBCI how can you be qualified to know what is right if you don't know what is wrong first hand.

I have have an Airstream 3 years not forty, nor is that required.

Having read the 75 pages of current bylaws and not living with them is two different things.

Ask others with experience, pickup a phone talk for example with Bob T.
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:11 PM   #62
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... do I count?
i'm sure you do!

the question is, with what?

besides ne1 can count.

how about a nice game of parcheesi...

or thermonuclear warfare?

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Old 08-30-2008, 10:15 PM   #63
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Sub forum for New Airstream Club

Hello everyone,

Andy and I have been swapping PM's about a sub forum for this discussion.

He has agreed to establish a sub forum for us to use to continue that which WE have started here.

Due to the holiday week end the work to establish the sub forum will not be done until Monday next.

As soon as it is up and working I will post to this thread so stating.

For now, I would like to suggest that we devote some energy to the structure of this sub forum.

My worst fear is that we could very easily just start posting "stuff" in random threads which would be very difficult for anyone to sift through and understand.

I am more than willing to entertain ideas and thoughts about this and suggest that we use this thread to discuss ideas for the sub forum structure so we all won't get lost in our ideas and thoughts.

For example, I can see three threads associated with a club name.

One for general discussion about club names where anyone can post anything they would like.

A second thread could be used to accept peoples club name proposals that could include the reasons they are suggesting the name. However, posts to this thread should be limited to a name and a reason; no reply's. Use the general discussion thread to work out your ideas and test the idea with others before posting in this thread. This way we can have one place with nothing in it but name suggestions. This will make it much easier to avoid duplicates, etc.

The third club name thread would come after everyone agrees that we have sufficient names and we could take a poll letting folks rank their top 5 picks, or some such, and go on from there in trying to select a club name.

I can see something along these lines for lots of other subjects as well.

What do y'all think we ought to set up in order to be able to move forward with some semblance of purpose?

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Old 08-30-2008, 10:15 PM   #64
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how about a nice game of parcheesi...

or thermonuclear warfare?

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Old 08-30-2008, 10:19 PM   #65
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...My worst fear is that we could very easily just start posting "stuff" in random...
welcome to forum reality....

that's HOW all the threads go to some extent and some more than others....

are u suggesting some HIGHER ORDER or CONTROL or LIMITS for some new sub forum?

if so, why not for ANY of the really important issues here?

look if your notion for a new 'stream group starts with this level of arbitrary limits, well, you lost me now as a supporter.

life is messy, and so is planning. live with it.

otoh IF you are suggesting a 'private forums' (those exist here too) where members who wanna HELP can join and post...

that's a 'whole nother issue and might be wiser (not better)...

many folks (somewhere around 100-300 posts) here get frustrated with 'hijacks or humor or marginally on topic posts in THEIR threads...

some of those folks start websites or blogs SOMEWHERE ELSE, just so they can control who/what is posted.

give that some thought,

it seems to work for those folks who are more bothered by the occasional tangential posts that the value of DIVERSE input.


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Old 08-30-2008, 11:01 PM   #66
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My worst fear is that we could very easily just start posting "stuff" in random threads which would be very difficult for anyone to sift through and understand.
I think Jim means that many of us talking about a new club have had some posts in different places and threads to date and he doesn't want to lose any of our gems or pearls of wisdom and contributions. And as they may be situated now, others may be confused about isolated or random posts in those or other threads. The dedication of a central place for ideas is intended to help streamline and by no means represent micromanaging and control but a way to get all kinds of input from many people who are interested in a new club start-up.

2Air, those Salem threads you linked are so funny... funny but true. How could I have forgotten the RBCCI? I think I did see Wally in that fire and you saw the whole shabang going down in flames years ago. Perceptive and before your time rabbit. That's a beret we were proud and happy to wear.
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:33 PM   #67
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I am not a member yet...

I only bought my first Airstream last week [my first camper for that matter ]
I have previously owned a huge campground on an island just along the coast of Maine so I certainly do have quite a bit of experience in this area.
My only question in this whole thing is :

Where do i send my $30.00 or $50.00 or whatever membership fee?
As long as you don't have people who think they are superior to other people then I am in.
once you get to the point of some people thinking that they are "above it all and "the rules don't apply to me" because I am an important person ,then I think that I will make a purchase of about $100.00 or so , and drive about 2 hours south of here , and throw a huge box of tea into Boston Harbor !!
I think it sounds like time for another "BOSTON TEA PARTY" AND i HAVE ONLY BEEN READING HERE FOR A WEEK ..NOT EVEN A MEMBER YET [ HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO SEND IN MY LOOT !! BUT IT APPEARS THAT i MAY WANT TO WAIT A MONTH OR SO !!!!!!!
So, I hope I have offended the pompous a$$'$ and that they vote to keep me out ...I don't need them to go camping and have fun ! I have no doubt that I will meet many many campers ,Airstreams or not , who are in it for the fun .....
Now one last thing ...There was a post here just a wee bit ago from a man who regularly wears a beret.... That sounds fine,,,but if you put it on in order to make you feel superior as a CAMPER , or to make all the other campers inferior to you , then you and i have a problem ...but ,just from the sound of your post , I think I will simply want to shake your hand...other than that,Please tell me where to send my check !!
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Cariol, you're bang on!

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I think Jim means that many of us talking about a new club have had some posts in different places and threads to date and he doesn't want to lose any of our gems or pearls of wisdom and contributions. And as they may be situated now, others may be confused about isolated or random posts in those or other threads. The dedication of a central place for ideas is intended to help streamline and by no means represent micromanaging and control but a way to get all kinds of input from many people who are interested in a new club start-up.

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Cariol, you're bang on!

The moderatores here on the Airforum have spent an incredible amount of time and energy this past year sifting thought ALL of the posts that had been made over the years in order to create order out of chaos.

If I understood the motivation for their taking this task on it was to make the forum a better place by organizing the information in all the posts in a way that made it relevant by subject matter and so that it would be easier for people to locate the information that they were looking for.

While I would like to think that people who will be willing to work towards the establishments of a new Airstream club will do so with lots of vigor I am NOT naive enough to think that this task will be the number one item in their lives. If we are lucky it could be in the top ten.

Let's all be very clear that family, work and lots of "other stuff" have a much higher priority in peoples lives than contributing to the process of creating a new Airstream club.

Given that the vast majority of us have lives away from the Airfoum it would be nice to establish our quest for a new club using tools that will make our work easier rather than difficult.

One of my desires is to not have to sift through tons of posts that contain segways galore. I just do NOT have the time and I doubt that many other people do either.

What I am suggesting is that we take a tip from the moderators of the Airforums and build a bit of structure into our sub forum before we start. I sure do not have the time to come back and rebuild everything that will be posted after the fact. We need to do things that we will be able to use easily in order for everyone to understand what is going on without having to search through untold numbers of posts that are not relevant to the subject at hand.

Given that there are already many, many posts on the subject of a new club here on the Airfourm I wonder if someone is willing to sift through this information and collate it so that we can include it as one of the first steps in the creation of our sub forum?

Also, let me take this opportunity to make this very clear. Unlike Calvin in the comic strips I have NO desire to be, "supreme, ultimate dictator for life".

I gave the work and politics associated with this activity lots of thought before I made my first post which was a thread some weeks ago asking about a new Airstream Camping Club. Some folks are going to be very upset with me for taking this task on. Others will be very happy that someone has stepped up and is doing something rather than just talking about it.

If your are interested in working WITH me to establish a new Airstream club welcome aboard. I have no illusions that whatever we decide to do will please everyone. Just not possible. But, the more people that participate and get involved the better the end result will be. Decisions made by the group as a whole are always best. But lets be realistic about this too. We each are going to have to "give and take" in order for this to be a success.

Facilitatingly yours,

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I am fed up with the in-fighting caused by the Jim Franklin Types.
I don't want to lose my camping buddies.
I don't need to be entertained by the standards of somebody else's standards to have fun.
I don't want to pay a fortune to camp and have fun.
I don't feel the compelling need to remove my numbers, I bought them I own them. Maybe a Smiley Face on top or on the sides of them could signify another membersthip.
I love to volunteer and I love and respect other volunteers and I cherish them too!

Would I fit into this new club?
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...There was a post here just a wee bit ago from a man who regularly wears a beret.... That sounds fine,,,but if you put it on in order to make you feel superior as a CAMPER , or to make all the other campers inferior to you , then you and i have a problem ...but ,just from the sound of your post , I think I will simply want to shake your hand...
I'm happy with a handshake! Like you, I don't want rules, just fun.
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