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Old 01-05-2013, 03:30 PM   #57
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Do I smell a "RAT?"
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:33 PM   #58
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Maybe it's a thing of instead of taxing more, we spend less. Mindset needs to change in that the IBT/EC7 "needs" to travel like they do to rallies and events which will help reduce some of the cost. Also, we may have to cut office cost by having part-time help during the non busy time of year.

Much like with the Feds, you either have to grow the base paying the taxes or cut the money being spent, if not, you will end up having to put .42 cent of every dollar spent on the credit card and have your children and grand-children pay it off.

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Old 01-05-2013, 04:42 PM   #59
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Do I smell a "RAT?"
My brain is working so slowly today (all together now, "Doesn't it always?"). Took me three of four reads of your post to realize it's an acronym.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:46 PM   #60
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We have full time employees at HQ right now and pay their healthcare plus a 5% matching payment for their 401 IRA's. That is where the bulk of the dues go. It is about $200,000 per year, which would be $35/member. The officer travel budget is about $100,000/yr. or $17.50/member. That leaves $12.50/ member to cover insurance, office building, and all other programs.
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:27 PM   #61
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We have full time employees at HQ right now and pay their healthcare plus a 5% matching payment for their 401 IRA's. That is where the bulk of the dues go. It is about $200,000 per year, which would be $35/member. The officer travel budget is about $100,000/yr. or $17.50/member. That leaves $12.50/ member to cover insurance, office building, and all other programs.

I, for one, certainly think the ladies at HQ more than earn their keep.

One thing that I am curious about, your quote indicates that there are about 5,714 members contributing to the numbers above.

Where did you get the total member numbers?

The January, 2013 Blue Beret indicated only 5,232 members in the numerical members listing. This is a membership discrepancy of almost 10%.

If additional revenues are not raised the club will be operating with a deficit in the very near future unless either costs are reduced or the number of active members are increased.
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I thought there were 2 employees. The numbers dwightdi gives indicate a base salary of very roughly $60,000+ each plus benefits and taxes. Sounds like a lot for clerical duties. If 3 fulltimers, almost $45,000 each.

Benefits and employer taxes generally are around (again roughly) about 1/3 of total compensation.

I know there are complaints about the dues being too high. I think they are reasonable for a nonprofit organization. What is important is what they do with them and whether the members get their money's worth. That is where the organization has a problem. Some nonprofits rely on volunteers to do some of the clerical work and ask the directors to help too. Directors are often asked for donations too.

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I believe right now we have: Cindy Reed as the Corporate Manager, Deb Sailor is the Blue Beret Editor, Deb Mann is the Membership Director and out newest employee is Julie Rethman, who takes care of member services. You can get the full financial statement upon request from Jackson Center. They issue them quarterly, as well as membership figures. Individual salaries are not published. The healthcare package for our 4 full timers is pretty expensive. The cost of liability insurance for the club and event organizers is over $30,000.

None of the members of the committees get paid. However; the marketing committee does spend the majority of his $15,000 budget with a marketing company previously owed by him and now run by his kids. Some committees are more active than others and some members put in more time than others.

Good Sam has close to a million members, so they can spread their overhead over more members giving them less overhead cost per member. Even Escapees and FMCA has a lot more members than we have.
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:28 AM   #64
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At the last Winter IBT we attended, in 2011, the WBCCI reported having about $1,000,000.00/ONE MILLION DOLLARS in savings/holdings/investments.

It would seem prudent to perhaps draw on some of that, if absolutely necessary, while trying to cut expenses and retain/increase membership.



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The club puts together complete quarterly financial statements, that also include membership numbers. You can get a copy by requesting them from Jackson Center. I read them with some interest.

It does seem that we have quite a large reserve, but in the current market, we are not making much interest on them. The Madison Rally shortfall of $103,000 was paid from the reserves. The next year, they raised the Rally fee and make $87,000.

Personally, I feel we should reduce our expenses to match our fallen membership numbers and use some of the reserves to cover us while we make the required changes.

Investing some of the reserves in programs that would enhance the club's benefits to the members might also be a good idea. Unless we change the way we operate the club and improve the benefits available and attractive to the new generation of Airstreamers, we will likely see a continuation of the fall in membership.
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Investing some of the reserves in programs that would enhance the club's benefits to the members might also be a good idea. Unless we change the way we operate the club and improve the benefits available and attractive to the new generation of Airstreamers, we will likely see a continuation of the fall in membership.
Perhaps we ought to branch off into a new thread, and ask the WBCCI members— and potential menbers— exactly what kind of benefits they would want in order to join or to remain in the club. Market research, in business terms.

We could seed the list with the benefits already provided. Then, once we have a decent list of existing and potential new benefits, follow it up with a poll to get an unofficial vote and a tentative ranking from most to least popular.

Then we would know where to concentrate our efforts. A benefit that few potential members want is not worth spending resources on.
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Perhaps we ought to branch off into a new thread, and ask the WBCCI members— and potential menbers— exactly what kind of benefits they would want in order to join or to remain in the club. Market research, in business terms.
A good thought, Protagonist, but I think that was done a year or two ago.

There is too much domination of self-interest up top, from what we saw and see. There needs to be a shift in their orientation toward dues-paying members---such as more empathic than autocratic.

That's the basic, fundamental change needed, from our perspective. If that happened, everything else would follow.


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If there are 4 employees, does the $200 K compensation budget reflect the former 3 or the present 4? With 4, the compensation gets pretty low, though it may be normal in rural Ohio (rural areas typically have low salaries). $200 K split 4 ways is more in line for rural incomes. Two working on membership means some recognition about problems, but one has to wonder if they are effective. Perhaps they cannot put enough fingers in the dike given the IBT blunders.

I think the WBCCI is in a bind because to run the nuts and bolts or the organization they need money, but they aren't the type of nonprofit that can get grants and donations unless they get some imagination and find ways to do so. Perhaps they could do research on RV issues and find a way to bring money in that way to supplement their employee expenses. But with leaders that are stuck in a past that probably never was, it is hard to find imagination and creativity.

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A good thought, Protagonist, but I think that was done a year or two ago.

There is too much domination of self-interest up top, from what we saw and see. There needs to be a shift in their orientation toward dues-paying members---such as more empathic than autocratic.

That's the basic, fundamental change needed, from our perspective. If that happened, everything else would follow.


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I agree. It has been done and largely ignored. I think the befits are largely how you feel. Unlike Good Sam that you join just to avoid paying extra at camping world or for the road side assistance, the WBCCI is na experience based membership. If it was a great experience and every rally I had a blast, I would be willing to pay more $$ But we are both still working so we can't take advantage of the caravans nor the rallys that start on Wed or Thur.... Nor are we retired and I sure as heck hope we never get that retired mind set! We seek adventure, travel and fun. Whether it is 10 minutes from here with friends in a state park camp ground and glass of wine or a cross country jaunt... Doesn't matter. It just has to be FUN!

The main conflict/points are the membership is diverse and the majority of the senior members are senior and therefore forget why they joined.

There should be a new board position for someone with less than 3 to 5 years of WBCCI experience. Hopefully they will bring the why back!

Just my 2 cents (or $1 if we were at a rally )
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A good thought, Protagonist, but I think that was done a year or two ago.

There is too much domination of self-interest up top, from what we saw and see. There needs to be a shift in their orientation toward dues-paying members---such as more empathic than autocratic.

That's the basic, fundamental change needed, from our perspective. If that happened, everything else would follow.
I only joined a year ago, so the last go-around may have been before my time. But one reason why I suggested doing this on the AirForums, is to allow greater input from people who don't belong to WBCCI, but who might join if the club's benefits are attractive enough to them to justify the price.

If it was up to me (and it's not up to me, so I know it will never happen, but a guy can hope…) I would start with the basic purpose of WBCCI— the WBCCI mission statement— and examine every committee, and every office, to see if they support that basic purpose. Any that don't would get the axe.

The mission statement, taken directly from the WBCCI Constitution, is: "Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc. is a diverse community of Airstream owners with a commitment to Fun, Fellowship and Adventure." Poorly worded, because a MISSION statement is supposed to be WHAT WE DO, not WHO WE ARE. The way it's worded, it's an identity statement, not a mission statement. But the gist of the mission is, WBCCI provides its members with enjoyable, safe, and interesting experiences in the company of a diverse group of Airstream owners.

That would require looking at TWO sides of the equation: (1) What is the office or the committee supposed to do; (2) What does the office or committee actually do. Every office, every committee, every from the President and Executive Committee on down, has to contribute in some way to maintaining a diverse membership and/or ensuring that the club activities are enjoyable, safe, and interesting.

Important to note, a diverse membership is not necessarily a large membership. A smaller club that caters to the needs of its members more viable than a large club that doesn't. Of course, defining "diverse" is problematic as well. Does it mean a mix of retirees and working stiffs? Wealthy and dirt-poor? Full-timers and weekenders? Varied marital status, ethnicity, geographical location, political affiliation, age, gender?
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