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Old 10-02-2012, 09:25 PM   #57
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In an earlier post one commented that there would be a cost to create a digital version of the data contained in the Directory. That just demonstrates that individual has not heard of word possessing. He may think that the Directory is still type set with lead type and hand pressed per page. The source is digital Does he really think the gals in Jackson Center are sitting around a table with a 5,000 card index file?

As for security there are several options.
Make it password accessible to members only.
Allow members to determine what if any information is released to the digital version.

If cost is a consideration each directory not printed is a saving.

Months ago I opted out of receiving the BB. What little useful information it has I can access online.

Your complete medical records are now online and if hacking is a threat that is the issue you should be concerned about, not who is driving down the road in 12156
For commercial purposes (medical records, e.g.) you can enforce strong password rules. There are still ways that lazy people make that less secure than it could be, by writing down their passwords, being patsies for social engineering attacks, etc. With a private user base, you can't realistically enforce good passwords. People will kvetch and whine until it gets dumbed down enough for the least common denominator. Then you'll get a member who uses password123 for every account they have and someone will troll through their email and find the URL for the member DB and it'll be out there twisting in the wind in 5 minutes.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:26 PM   #58
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The club and its leaders have listened to the members and have decided not post on line the directory at this time. This year there was a significant savings by printing the directories in the Blue Beret format. If a lot of people would opt out of receiving the hard copy directory, there would be a savings in postage. There is a minimum charge for setting up and printing the directories. Above that minimum, there is very little per additional copy cost. We would save a few trees. Most medical practices do not put your medical records on line. When you visit your doctor the next time, look at all the physical file folders.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:39 PM   #59
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I am the webmaster for our unit. We have Firestat on the .net site. It tracks the identification of the people visiting the site. It tracks the IP address, which allow it determine what country the visitor is from. Here is the screen shot from the last 30 days.
Countries
United States 68.37%
Germany 15.16%
Czech Republic 7.91%
France 1.98%
Poland 1.32%
Others 5.27%as well as the operating system

Do not try to tell me that the 33% of my visitors, that are from foreign countries, are really interested in joining our club. I think they are likely looking for some information they might be able to use. We need to consider that: There are people out there with not the best of intentions, whenever we start putting things on line.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:47 PM   #60
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The club and its leaders have listened to the members and have decided not post on line the directory at this time. This year there was a significant savings by printing the directories in the Blue Beret format. If a lot of people would opt out of receiving the hard copy directory, there would be a savings in postage. There is a minimum charge for setting up and printing the directories. Above that minimum, there is very little per additional copy cost. We would save a few trees. Most medical practices do not put your medical records on line. When you visit your doctor the next time, look at all the physical file folders.
You are a day late and soon to be a dollar short. ALL MEDICAL RECORDS must be digitized under current law. Doctors face a fine and reduction in medicare payments if they do not comply. I have access to my records at home from one of my doctors already with a user name and a password.

As for password protection the issuer can set standards for an acceptable password. Yes that would reduce the number of members that could use a digital system but should not curtail it completely.

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You bring up an interesting point. Beyond a password the members ISP number could be in the system and any attempt from a none listed number could be rejected. Yes armed with a random number generator the system could hacked. But would it be worth it given what most have already posted on Facebook.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:47 AM   #61
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Being a dutiful Government employee, I have to take annual training for "Information Security." It's not difficult to set up strong passwords.

Minimum 8 characters, but allow more, so that hackers can't even be sure the length of the password.
Minimum of:
Two uppercase letters, not the same letter twice, not your initials.
Two lowercase letters, not the same letter twice, not your initials.
Two numbers, not the same digit twice.
Two special characters (*&^%$#@!), again not the same one twice.
No actual words in the password ("ThEm" for example).

For an online WBCCI directory, I would set it up the login requirements something like this:
Enter your self-chosen username (which is NOT your real name!);
Enter your WBCCI number;
Enter your self-chosen password.

Having three login requirements rather than two should make it harder to fraudulently obtain WBCCI directory information. And since WBCCI members should have no problem remembering their own WBCCI number, even if you write down your password because you can't remember it, you won't have to write down the WBCCI number with it. Even if someone finds your written-down password, they haven't found all of your login information at once.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:56 AM   #62
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I can't get too excited about protecting my info that appears in that directory. It is available numerous places.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:59 AM   #63
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I can't get too excited about protecting my info that appears in that directory. It is available numerous places.
Personally, I agree. But the whole objection to an on-line directory seems to be those members who ARE worried about it. And those members seem to be the ones in a position to decide, whether they're in the majority or not. They certainly claim to represent the majority, but I doubt the majority has ever officially voted on it.

Saying, "You can choose not have have your information listed online just by opting out," doesn't sway them. They still say, "I don't want my information online, so you can't have yours online, either."

Saying, "We can keep your information secure," doesn't sway them. They say, "Nothing online is secure enough for me." (And yet they make reservations online with a credit card…)

Saying, "It's easy to learn how to use it," doesn't sway them. They say, "I don't want to learn."

Saying, "It's more convenient than carrying around a magazine-sized directory everywhere," doesn't sway them. They say, "I don't need it often enough for that to make a difference."

Saying, "If you don't keep up with the times, we won't be able to recruit new members," doesn't sway them. They say, "If you do this, you'll lose existing members, starting with me."

Have I missed any of the objections? The problem is, the nay-sayers have their minds made up, and we'll never convince them to change their minds. So, it all boils down to that last objection… Do we modernize the WBCCI directory in the hope of attracting new members, at the risk of alienating an unknown number of existing members?
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:24 AM   #64
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This is the digital age. Clubs that resist that will not do well and will not attract people who prefer the benefits of that. I was ok with pre-digital life, but we wouldn't have this Forum and other benefits. We now have more information available than ever before and I wouldn't like to go back to the good ole days of 20 years ago even if I don't understand the whole digital bag.

Every change brings problems, but stopping change or refusing to adjust means being left behind. Privacy is a concern and it is not being solved as quickly as I'd like. Anyone with a supermarket affinity card has given up on privacy so they can get a few items at fake discounts and buy gas for 3˘ less. There's no going back. The WBCCI appears to be making some efforts to change, but it is like an old man who resists cell phones, computers and seat belts. There are always other organizations ready to take the place of the older groups who don't change fast enough. You are reading this on one of them.

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WBCCI has a Vintage Club within it. The problem is it is dedicated to Older Trailers. It should be dedicated to Older Members.

The torch should be passed to a younger membership that can continue the Club while holding a place of honor for the Vintage Membership just as the Club now does for Older Trailers.

There is far too much heritage within WBCCI to allow it to wither just because of a refusal to keep pace.

We have just gone through 5 or 6 years of denial with respect as to the governance of the Club. First by limiting those that could run for office then by stonewalling needed changes in the Constitution. Now we will commence a period of curtailed communication lest any form of progress be realized.
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WBCCI has a Vintage Club within it. The problem is it is dedicated to Older Trailers. It should be dedicated to Older Members.

The torch should be passed to a younger membership that can continue the Club while holding a place of honor for the Vintage Membership just as the Club now does for Older Trailers.

There is far too much heritage within WBCCI to allow it to wither just because of a refusal to keep pace.

We have just gone through 5 or 6 years of denial with respect as to the governance of the Club. First by limiting those that could run for office then by stonewalling needed changes in the Constitution. Now we will commence a period of curtailed communication lest any form of progress be realized.
I understand the point of your comment, but in my experience so far it seems the Vintage Intra-club has on average younger members.
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My error on typing.

There should be a second Vintage Group dedicated to Older Members not quite able to keep up. At 72 I want something to look forward to as I and my trailer age.
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