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Old 01-28-2011, 04:25 PM   #239
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Carol did you say this earlier today, was that you?

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So far so great. I am loving Kerry's report.
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Old 01-28-2011, 04:27 PM   #240
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So, basically, no further input will be taken into consideration? We have not seen any draft or heard of the scope of proposed changes prior to today.

Again, a BIG concern for me is:

Is my unit going to be expected to vote on a single motion to replace the entire Constitution?
That depends, on the delegates meeting,..

Speak to your unit pres on the procedures please.
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Old 01-28-2011, 04:28 PM   #241
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Yes that was me Bob, Wheel Interested. I loved Kerry's report. Wouldn't it be wonderful if that is the way the changes will actually play out! You liked it too didn't you? Then the IP had the lapse in judgment to renig upon an agreement made with the region presidents to move Forest's amendment forward without delay or prejudice in exchange for Region President Neumarkel's withdrawal of his motion from the agenda. Isn't that what happened? Were you listening then as well? There is a huge credibility issue and disconnect in the wake of such proceedings that I do not think is unfounded. For the IP to say he cannot disregard the constitution but then also to admit the IBT is the interpreter of the constitution and disregard the region presents' vote is unethical after procuring his gain in the bargain. It does make Kerry's visionary future of the WBCCI seem less likely to occur in my opinion. That's the thing. If it gets done to one person there is every likelihood that it will be repeated against other persons. We need to wise up and be diligent.
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Old 01-28-2011, 04:58 PM   #242
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Then the IP had the lapse in judgment to renig upon an agreement made with the region presidents to move Forest's amendment forward without delay or prejudice in exchange for Region President Neumarkel's withdrawal of his motion from the agenda.
This is exactly what happened, the President reneged on his agreement. Dan Neumarkel told me directly, in a telephone conversation, that he asked the President for something more tangible than just his word that it would happen. Dan said that the President threw his pencil down and said, "are you calling me a liar?" Dan told him no, just that he wanted some guarentee in exchange for withdrawing motion #5. The President told him it would happen, that his word was good.

Then today, he reneges. Out and out, bold face. He acknowledged there was an agreement and reneges on it. Then completely ignores the International Treasurer's motion to require that it move forward. Doesn't even bother to rule it out of order, just simply ignores it. Outrageous, absolutely outrageous!

There has to be some kind of response to this, something to make them accountable.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:29 PM   #243
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A Letter to the IBT

Ed and I will be sending the following via email tonight to all members of the IBT. Selective use of our constitution and bylaws cannot be tolerated. If anyone at the IBT meeting would be willing to confirm which members are attending in non-Airstream RV's, we would appreciate the information.

To: All Members of the WBCCI Board of Trustees

From: Ed and Sandy Emerick, #4425, Wisconsin Unit

Date: January 28, 2011

Subject: WBCCI Members attending the Mid-Winter IBT Meeting

It has come to our attention that some members attending and participating in the Mid-Winter IBT meeting are residing in their non-Airstream RV. These members are parked together in an area separate from the main WBCCI parking.

This is in direct conflict with the Constitution and Bylaws of our club*. As our International President Norm Beu along with our Constitution and Bylaw Committee Chairman Don Shafer repeatedly stated today, they have taken an oath to uphold our Constitution and Bylaws, and there can be no exceptions. We expect immediate and swift action to correct this violation.

If these members have participated in meetings and deliberations, we believe that all actions from this meeting be considered null and void.

We expect a detailed report of which members are present and participating illegally. It is the duty of President Norm Beu to publicly address this issue. When the governing body of our club chooses to ignore the very constitution it has sworn to uphold, the WBCCI membership deserves answers.

*ARTICLE IV, MEMBERSHIP AND MEMBERSHIP PRIVILEGES
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Except as authorized by section 12 of this article, only members of the international club traveling in a recreational vehicle manufactured by Airstream, Inc. and their guests, and visitors especially authorized by the Executive Committee of the international club, may be admitted to an Intra-club, a unit, a region, or a national caravan or to an Intra-club, a unit, a region, a special events, a national, or an international rally. However, members of the international club may attend an Intra-club, a unit, a state, a region, a special event, a national, or an international rally without their recreational vehicle manufactured by Airstream, Inc. When it is inconvenient or impossible for them to travel in said
recreational vehicle, provided such members do not attend (for the purpose of this section attend is defined as “to be present at any rally activity”) in any other make of recreational vehicle. The requirements of this section shall not be applicable to members of the international club traveling outside the North American continent in caravans organized under the sponsorship of the international relations standing committee. (1/18/02)
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:37 PM   #244
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Ed and I will be sending the following via email tonight to all members of the IBT. ... (rest deleted to keep post shorter)
Is there any way to identify who it was? It would make denial into a much less feasible response.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:52 PM   #245
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Just remember the old saying:

"You get what you pay for"

So I guess this means if we up the dues to say $75.00 it will get better, right?

If it wasn't so sad, it almost be funny.

You can walk away at anytime,
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:55 PM   #246
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Doug and Maggie. If you or anyone else is still in Robstown, PM me with your phone number., I have a possible way to research this... SOB in Class A fiberglass clothing. I just don't want to let the "cat out", how.
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:08 PM   #247
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There has to be some kind of response to this, something to make them accountable.
Mere members CAN make a difference if they act as a GROUP.

The ONLY time members have any real leverage is at renewal time. But as long as members keep paying dues without question, members will continue to be ignored.

If a UNIT could very publicly withhold their dues beyond next years Mid-Winters, that UNIT will be sending a very clear message and others will probably follow.

The IBT, with its fiduciary responsibility, cannot look at non-renewal rates and simply ignore them. They won't be able to expect ANY percentage of non-renewals to come back to them. It was 18% this year. Would another 25%--30% on top of that 18% help Mr. Schafer and Mr. Beu interpret the Constitution and deal a little more honestly?

MEMBERS have the most leverage at renewal time if large GROUPS of members act alike; if entire UNITS act alike.

Mere members CAN make a difference... Otherwise, you can just fall back on the words of Mr. Schafer from LAST YEAR'S Mid-Winter Rally that in 12-18 months he believes the IBT is going to have to come back with another $10 increase or MORE.

FYI, each and every unit can be an independently registered corporation within their own state. It's really quite simple. There are also provisions in the Blue Book that address what needs to be done. (e.g., Art VII, Sections 4 & 6)

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If you really want to go for it, take a fresh look at the Declaration of Independence and simply modify it to taste. List your grievances and then assert your rights.

"... That the [__________ ] Unit is, and of right ought to be, a free and independent unit of Airstreamers; that she is absolved from all allegiance to the WBCCI, and that all connection between us and the WBCCI, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as a free and independent Unit, we have full power to do all acts and things which independent Units may of right do." (Inspired by Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence)
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:32 PM   #248
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I don't think they really care about non-renewals. They give lip service to it, but they have that $1,000,000+ to fall back on. If they did care, they wouldn't pull the kinds of stunts they did today. What kind of person gives his word and reneges on it?

They keep pushing that motorhome issue in spite of the members stating so clearly they don't want it. I think it is as clear as it could be. They're going to find a way, that little group, and the hell with what the members want. They will find a way to do it without the membership approving it, that's what I think.



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Old 01-28-2011, 09:03 PM   #249
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That depends, on the delegates meeting,..

Speak to your unit pres on the procedures please.

Bob,

Sorry, I'm not understanding your answer to my question:

Is my unit going to be expected to vote on a single motion to replace the entire Constitution?

I guess so that I'm clear, what I'm asking is if this revised constitution will be an "all or nothing" vote? I do realize that anything can happen at the meetings.

Please forgive me! I'm new at this!

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Old 01-28-2011, 11:11 PM   #250
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Is my unit going to be expected to vote on a single motion to replace the entire Constitution?

I guess so that I'm clear, what I'm asking is if this revised constitution will be an "all or nothing" vote? I do realize that anything can happen at the meetings.

Please forgive me! I'm new at this!

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Dan,
I am not a Parliamentarian, but I would expect that the motion, including at least the revised Constitution will be sent to all Units for a vote "as is" without a direct means to propose modification. The opportunity to provide input has passed and the CBL Revision committee has come up with their proposal.

However, when a unit votes on this motion, they could instruct their Delegate to attempt to amend the motion at the Delagates meeting to make changes they feel are needed. I would recommend fighting this urge. It will be far more likely to pass whatever is provided than to pass anything that gets modified in the Delagates meeting because many units will restrict their delegate from voting "for" an amended motion and the discussion of amendments could take so long that it never comes to a vote.

I would recommend voting on it as presented and if it passes then proceed to propose desired changes, if you have any. That's my take on it anyway.
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Old 01-28-2011, 11:48 PM   #251
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Is there going to be an end to delegates? That is less effective than giving delegates more power as a balance to the IBT. One member one vote without delegates means members will only be able to vote on what the IBT presents, doesn't it? Just like we can only vote regardless if we had one member one vote now or not to take it or leave what the revision committee has compiled. By that hit or miss method it could take forever to get a combination all will accept, meanwhile the IBT is cranking out all the decisions all the time. Instead of having delegates and meetings where work can be drafted we will have the ability only to agree or disagree with what the IBT drafts. Am I missing something or is that much much worse than it is now???

I kind of like mistral blue's declaration of independence. That would give members the most power without obstruction. Succeed to secede to succeed!
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Looks like we maybe done. We will sleep on it but it doesn't look good for Chris and I staying members after this year is up.
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