There wasn't a roll call vote, only a show of hands. Randy
Randy,
Just for clarification. Did a hand raised FOR represent a simple majority at the unit level, or a 2/3rds to pass the proposal?
There was some confusing wording out in front of this. Something to the affect of, 'units should discuss this to see if it should be brought before the Region Board.' I may not have that exactly correct (looking for the wording I thought I had read, and it appears to have been removed).
Just trying to understand exactly what was voted on, and what exactly was represented by casting a FOR vote. Thanks!
It's nice to see the biggest region in the club overwhelmingly standing up to protect the WBCCI's core, by even bigger margins than last time!
The Region 3 Board consisting of the Region 3 leadership and all the Unit presidents from the region were asked to vote on sending the proposed change forward to the IBT to bring it before the International Delegates Meeting. All Region 3 Units had meetings before this Rally to decide this question (send forward or no). I don't know if the Unit Presidents were voting a majority or super majority decision at the unit level. I know in my unit we were unanimously against it.
There was some discussion as to wether or not the motion was proper and documented correctly by the proposing unit. There was assurances from the Region 3 President that it was. The International President stated that if it was forwarded to the IBT, it wouldn't be heard at Bozeman this year as it was too late. I got the feeling he was glad for that.
Before the Board voted, the Region 3 President asked for a show of hands from those in attendance as to their feeling on the proposal. That was about 1/3 for and 2/3 against.
The motion was to send the proposed change to the IBT. As I said before, the Board then voted NO to sending it forward. A simple majority was all that was needed to approve the motion to send the proposed change forward, but it failed.
I hope that answers your questions.
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That's pretty much what I was thinking, simple majority gets it out of a unit, simple majority gets it out of the Region, and on it's way to the Delegates. Then the Delegates need to pass by 2/3rds to make the constitutional change.
It's important for those in the IBT looking for a solution, that they understand this attempt faired far WORSE than the all or nothing attempt of '07. The South Florida attempt WAS the grandfathered motion that most thought the membership might be more receptive to.
What I think this turns out to be is a slamming of the door by the membership, that they've had enough of IBT proposed motorhome amendments (which BOTH the '07 & '08 attempts were) to toss away our single brand identity. I think at this point the membership needs to HEAR from IBT members that this issue is DEAD -- that they not only heard from the membership in '07, but that very same result was shouted out even louder in '08. That the only way motorhomes should come to the forefront again is if and when Airstream ever starts making them again.
My thoughts are that Airstream doesn't need to learn that lesson twice, that they'd be crazy to try and compete in the Class A market again. The one thing Airstream should take away from the WBCCI, and the IBT meddling with this issue, is that the Mid-Winter crowd of '07 were elated that they could buy a BETTER quality Four Winds, with about a $50K savings over an equivalent Airstream Class A. That elation should seal the lid on the possibility of Jackson Center every re-entering that market. There's simply better product elsewhere, which confirms Airstreams decision to withdraw from the market.
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why Airstream can't let Four Winds or some Thor enity build them an "Airstream" MOHO. I know what they said about warranties and service, etc (not like there was never a problem with whether Airstream or Frieghtliner was responsible for problems on A*S class As, but they are selling Interstates and previously sold B-vans which were not built in Jackson Center. I am not sure the B-vans weren't finished at Airstream, but you get my drift. If they have to drive them through Jackson Center to stick the Airstream logo on them then they'd have an Airstream MOHO. Oh well, I'm not in a position of making those decisions Thank God!
Anyway, great news about the Reg 3 vote.
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why Airstream can't let Four Winds or some Thor enity build them an "Airstream" MOHO.
Tom, we don't even want to go there...again. It's just another can of worms that is so subject to interpretation...is it really an Airstream? I would love to see Airstream bring back a Classic aluminum semi-monocoque bodied Class A but I doubt the economics will ever be there again.
We went to the RV show at Road Atlanta this past weekend and I must say, I envy all the storage, built-in washer and dryers, and multiple slide-outs that the big (and some are really big, mind you--45' long big) Class A motorhomes have, but I still love my Airstream and wouldn't give it up for any of the Class A's we saw. However, Missus MM sure did like those Monacos!
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That the only way motorhomes should come to the forefront again is if and when Airstream ever starts making them again.
from 65GT post#284
---amen!
This would be a non-issue since the current constitution already allows motor homes manufactured by Airstream so if they start making them again there will be no need to amend the constitution since the motorhome owners will already qualify for membership under the current by-laws.
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Ha! When is the last time you actually had a reality check?
My comments are based on the ramblings of a long term past Airstream President.
Your challenge to that statement is based on, hmmm, let me go re-check...
Yes, par for the course, your challenge is based on NOTHING. Please Mr. Cipot, educate us all and show us where I've missed the mark on my research. I'll be happy to show you mine -- I'm dying to see yours...
Empty posturing will only get you so far. I'm up for the challenge -- are you?
65GT - I get the impression you don't have anywhere or anyone else to take out your pent up aggressions. The VAST amount of discussion here on the Forums on this topic is done without attacking folks expressing their opinions, whereas YOUR replies become more & more argumentative & agressive . I would think your comments might be better focussed directly at the IBT / WBCCI officers and not the good folks on this Forum. I'm upset with the flake officer in Florida too, but I don't get my kicks "yelling" in people's faces. Maybe you just need to go camping.
I for one would appreciate it if you would lighten up some and be more constructive. BTW - I don't always disagree with you - just the mean spirited delivery.
The Region 3 President let the cat out of the bag at the Sarasota Rally. His home unit has redrafted the 2007 motorhome proposal and passed it on for he and his Region VP's to sign and get to Jackson Center by March 1st. The wording I got was a little vague but, it seems to allow mebers/officers to buy other brands of motorhomes and retain their positions in the club. Jackson Center will distribute the proposal the units by April 1st. Due to the timing, the notice is not likely to appear in the April Blue Beret and the general membership will not know about it until the May edition comes out. This will be after some of the units will have held their spring rallies, where the proposal should have been be voted upon by the members. Some members are upset by the tactics. If you want to read the whole story and the conversations about it, go over to savewally.org in their forum section.
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I for one would appreciate it if you would lighten up some and be more constructive. BTW - I don't always disagree with you - just the mean spirited delivery.
Pretty selective about whose comments bother you, eh? Maybe you should go back one step prior and let's see if you have a problem with the uneducated comments I responded to.
See how that fits in your boot...
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Not sure exactly what you're asking. . . did you see post 276 and subsequent on this thread? The motion was just voted down by a large majority at the Region 3 rally.
Leo,
Have to disagree about four winns having a better class "A" MH than airstream. As you know, the chassis and body are pretty standard with MHs. It is the interior and the quality of components installed, much like your AS trailer. My wife loves the hickory cabinetry and solid wood doors on ours.
We have looked at the mandalay and don't think it has the quality ours does. It does have four slideouts though. The reason AS did not sell more MHs was strictly a lack of marketing. Nobody out there knew they made a MH and it won't pay the bills when you make 3 or 4 a month. Dave at AS told me they could not afford the R&D to install four slideouts,tag axles,etc. Our next MH will be a used prevost or a country coach affinity. We do feel bad AS class "A" never got off the ground. We have a lot of friends in FMCA and we all have a problem or two with quality just like your trailer. I am not offended by your remark, just felt I needed to correct the quality issue. We have looked at and compared a lot of MHs and mandalay and four winns would not be our choice for a replacement.
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. I would think your comments might be better focussed directly at the IBT / WBCCI officers and not the good folks on this Forum. I'm upset with the flake officer in Florida too, but I don't get my kicks "yelling" in people's faces. Maybe you just need to go camping. 
. BTW - I don't always disagree with you - just the mean spirited delivery.
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