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Old 03-31-2008, 09:47 PM   #239
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:18 PM   #240
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No word yet from any of the region or international officers on WBCCI forum as to the outcome of the SOB amendment or the vote results from Region 3.

Following along thus far, the vote for South Carolina Coastal Unit was due in by March 29th. The amendment passed on February 20th for the South Florida Unit. Hopefully very soon we will know those results as well. If anyone knows please post them there is no information being distributed from Headquarters to the membership on this.

Here is the information in the current SCCU newsletter:

Proposed Motorhome Amendment
Region 3 officers have asked that each unit in the region survey its voting membership to decide if they support or reject a South Florida Unit proposed constitutional amendment, passed 2-20-08, (see below) for further consideration by the International Club. Article VI, Sec. 2, Part D would read as follows:
Regular members, who own a motorhome manufactured by Airstream and who were in good standing as of the date of this amendment, may purchase a Class A Motorhome manufactured by the Four Winds International Division of Thor Industries, Inc., and retain their membership in WBCCI.
Clarification :
At the recent International Rally the Delegates voted down a proposed amendment to allow anyone to purchase a Four Winds class A motorhome and to be able to join/maintain membership in the WBCCI. This new proposed amendment by South Florida has a slightly different twist. It allows only current member-owners of Airstream motorhomes to buy a Four Winds class A motorhome and retain their WBCCI membership. It may be that the thinking is ……
If you are a WBCCI member who currently owns an Airstream motorhome and you do not want to tow a trailer, we will allow you to purchase a Four Winds class A motorhome and retain your WBCCI membership (instead of losing another member). Also note the amendment preserves the eventual purity of the Airstream product club, since Four Winds motorhome owners will eventually “age out” of RVing and no one else will be authorized to purchase a Four Winds motorhome.
Voting Procedures:
The International Constitution, Article XVI, Amendments, has two procedures to utilize in amending. The South Florida proposed amendment does not specify which procedure is requested. Under traditional WBCCI voting the members through their Delegates will make the final decision at the International Rally.
Therefore by that tradition our vote this time is just to determine if the amendment dies at the Region level or moves on to the International level. Our unit will vote by email and will survey those members without an email address.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:24 PM   #241
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Thumbs down

I don't think a proposal from IBT members given down to the units for them from the regional officers to vote on, should judiciously be viewed as a unit member driven initiative once the results come back. The machinations and liberties taken never cease to amaze me as to just how far the envelope can be pushed to move ahead their own agenda.

"Also note the amendment preserves the eventual purity of the Airstream product club, since Four Winds motorhome owners will eventually “age out” of RVing and no one else will be authorized to purchase a Four Winds motorhome"

Well I don't see the equity in that. Why can't other members have them? What is so special about this group of people that the rules get made for them and then closed back around them after they have gotten what they want? Interesting. Not to mention that there are plenty of young members owning vintage Airstream Motorhomes right now. Talk about tunnel vision...

Now a very witty member of this forum mentioned to me that this all reads like a saga of Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. I wonder just what we will be doing to mark our time to 2020 waiting for the results of that committee. Or do they just anticpate aging out by then. Anyone going to set up that date board with wagers?
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:05 PM   #242
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If it is so darned (I'm playing nice here!) important for our "friends" who no longer are able to manage a travel trailer to remain members of the WBCCI, why can't they keep the wording as is above (i.e. that they be members in good standing and own an Airstream/Argosy motor home at the time of this amendment) plus add the stipulation that their membership be commuted to an associate level without voting privileges or rights to hold office.

I could support such an amendment so that the members that have given so much to the Club could remain in the Club a few more years. But anything less in my opinion wreaks of the IBT's self serving, special interest, mierda de toro! Sorry, for those who speak Spanish and are offended...I really tried to keep it PG as long as I could.
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:42 PM   #243
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Mierda de toro INDEED!

I vote NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! to the never ending machinations of the IBT. (and to the amendment)
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Old 04-02-2008, 04:51 PM   #244
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Here is the information in the current SCCU newsletter:
It may be that the thinking is ……
If you are a WBCCI member who currently owns an Airstream motorhome and you do not want to tow a trailer, we will allow you to purchase a Four Winds class A motorhome and retain your WBCCI membership (instead of losing another member). [/B]
This is all about Thor adding some marketing spice to their 4-winds product line since it has no character of it's own. "If you can't be it, try to share it"...

This campaign is all about marketing and all about image and not meaning or substance. And what's this "we will allow you to purchase a 4-winds motorhome..."? If the hook is that you already own an Airstream, what difference does it make what other SOB you buy?

Some Thor corporate lacky is really greasing WBCCI leadership to get this on the ballots... Once the precedent is set, what comes next?
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:16 PM   #245
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Old 04-03-2008, 09:52 AM   #246
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You know, I'm so against the idea of letting in non-Airstreaming RVers, but sometimes I wonder if a kind of "don't ask / don't tell" policy (unwritten, of course) might be appropriate.

The thing is that we've got lots of current WBCCI members who no longer own their Airstreams (or any other RV), but who show up only for the luncheons. Lots of these folks are elderly and have given up on RVing. And I don't think anybody's wanting to kick these people out of the club.

In effect, then, we've already got "don't ask / don't tell" for these folks. They can still attend these functions, but, almost assuredly, they can't hold positions within the club. Again, in these cases, it's pretty much unwritten policy.

So, ok, if somebody wants to get rid of the Airstream, they still can be members, unofficially. Their chances of being elected to any position are practically zilch.

What all this means for the currrent situation is that the proposal must, of course, turned down again. But in its place, I'd suggest just a little insurance policy: That a new policy simply state that potential officers of the club must currently own an Airstream.

But, of course, this could all be goofy. It's not been a good morning anyway, so the noodle is not functional. (Today after a visit from the vet, we take our little Toby Doggie to the crematorium. It is a very sad day for Maria and me.)


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If you read Article VII, Section 2C, of the Constution, you will see that a member who sells his Airstream can remain a member as long as she/he continues to pay dues. The Blue Book with this info can be downloaded from WBCCI.org
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:57 PM   #248
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But, of course, this could all be goofy. It's not been a good morning anyway, so the noodle is not functional. (Today after a visit from the vet, we take our little Toby Doggie to the crematorium. It is a very sad day for Maria and me.)


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I'm so sorry about Toby. I've been there and done that. After 14+ years (4-1/2 of which I gave twice daily injections of insulin and spent over $2K for cataract surgery) I had to have my Max put down due to kidney failure. We love them, we bond to them, we never forget them.
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And I kind of like that "alumni class" label.

Thinking of this -- and I'm still not really there, after yesterday's traumatic trip -- maybe it's time not just to sit around and bitch about what Florida's up to. Yes, the world's dumbest amendment will need to be defeated again. But how about bringing up ideas for alternative proposals that would put the entire complex of problems to bed.

So suppose that we have something like an alumni label at the international level. They used to own an Airstream and want to belong. (Don't ask and don't tell about what rig they do or do not own now.) Alumnis have cheap dues, maybe can purchase a subscription to the Blue Beret or so, can't hold office, can't reserve spaces at rallies.

But all regular members have to own an Airstream. Written in practically every paragraph of the constitution.


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Our unit, ENCU, voted NO (I believe it was unanimous) last weekend at our rally in New Bern, NC
I am disgusted that our region is even discussing this issue.

Hopefully the majority of units give it a thumbs down so it doesn't even get past the regional level.

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I thought Region 3 missed the March 1 deadline for new motions. Has the deadline been extended? Leo can you clarify timing deadlines for new motions?
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Latest word is that nothing arrived at headquarters. Guess that means that it is dead for this year. But, look out for Madison in 2009!
That's what was said back early in March (#150 on this thread) I guess it's still true. Hope so, anyway.

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