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Old 02-03-2004, 07:16 AM   #15
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Good question~

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Old 02-03-2004, 07:27 AM   #16
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Sonograms are fine and all but, I'd rather wait and see if it's a girl or boy on delivery.

Congrats, BIG DEE! You'll have many, many, many years of enjoyment from it!
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Old 02-03-2004, 07:46 AM   #17
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Very nice! I wish I could have taken the time off to see mine built!
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Old 02-03-2004, 08:52 AM   #18
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Well, as has to be expected from me, it shows they must really make a huge profit for sheets of aluminium , pieces of wood and some fabric.
When you see the finished product it looks mysterious & elaborate, but when you see the "making of" one wonders why the price tag is so high. (maybe the pics)
Sure it's nice and well built & will depreciate less than a SOB, but in order not to loose as much hard earned cash, a slightly used unit cushions the fall.
Of course, if nobody bought new, nobody could buy a good used one, so I should stop all this negativity...

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Old 02-03-2004, 09:09 AM   #19
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I do not know what their margins are at AS, but they have about 300 employees. and they are, for the most part, integrated (they make most of the assemblies save the appliances...and the axles, I think...

They are now making 6 trailers per day, and an unknown number of motorhomes.

If we throw the motorhomes out, they are spending about 50 man-days per trailer, roughly. I know they have part-timers there, and I suspect the number includes service, which should pay for itself...

Any rate, as a rough estimate, there is 10 man-weeks of labor in each Trailer. With overhead and benefits, that is roughly 12K.

I suspect that the plant facility, and materials cost for a Safari is at least as much as the Labor rate, so that would be about 24K per trailer. I suspect that this is low...and a classic with its deluxe interior components is a lot higher cost in components.

I bet the margins are pretty decent, but they are not huge -- I bet the margins, if good, are on the order of 15%.

Again, just a guess. Like a house, the structure is the fast part...
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Old 02-03-2004, 09:46 AM   #20
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I think 50% is more like it!
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Old 02-03-2004, 09:55 AM   #21
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50%? If they were that high there would be way more competition. The capital cost to get into the business isn't that high (compared to, say, medical devices or energy generation).
I'd say 15% is more reasonable. They might be 50% of variable cost.
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Old 02-03-2004, 10:08 AM   #22
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Remember that part of the "over head" is liability insurance. The sue (?sp) happy public has to get there part of the proffits and we have to pay for it.

Congradulations Big Dee. I hope to be in the same position some day.
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Old 02-03-2004, 10:16 AM   #23
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When you see the finished product it looks mysterious & elaborate, but when you see the "making of" one wonders why the price tag is so high.
Geez, it looks pretty impressive to me the way it looks now. All those aluminum ribs inside look so strong and the outside looks like a space ship.

Could not even imagine how cheap looking thsoe SOBs look like in first stages of life. I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.

Vintage units are the coolest BUT I want the amenities of the 2004. To each...
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Could not even imagine how cheap looking thsoe SOBs look like in first stages of life.
Remember those little balsa wood gliders we used to get as kids?
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I got three more pics with an update from the factory. It is looking nice. Look at those windows!

Now I ask you, what RV factory would take so much time and trouble to keep me posted on my baby and unasked for? It's so cool. It's the A/S bond.
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Big Dee,

Do you consider your 99 Safari as "Vintage" or a 02 ?

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Old 02-04-2004, 10:06 AM   #27
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I've never owned a vintage coach but seen some real nice ones. I just like having the modern amenities of late ones. So I am thankful that there is a fantastic factory producing wonderful units everyday. I like to think there is a new A/S baby born everyday! And one of them is mine!!!
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My initial remark was about "slightly used " recent Airstreams , which have the same modern amenities as new ones.
I never compared new vs vintage. I just wondered if you considered your 99 so outdated that you felt it was an old vintage AS.

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