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03-02-2015, 01:03 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
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I will tell you what, all fuel made is of the low sulphur design,if it is off road it has no tax,that is the only difference,I haul for a refinery...
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03-02-2015, 02:06 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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The only difference in the diesel fuel for on and off road. Is the off road is dyed RED. If you are caught with Red diesel in the fuel tank of a vehicle on road. You can get in BIG trouble. There is no fuel tax on RED fuel.
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03-02-2015, 02:40 PM
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King of the Zebra Speedo
Obrien
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2012
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Has anybody on here ever been checked with a private (not commercial) vehicle for non tax diesel? I've never heard of anybody having their private vehicle dipped...
-Red, curious...
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03-02-2015, 03:15 PM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Panama Red
Has anybody on here ever been checked with a private (not commercial) vehicle for non tax diesel? I've never heard of anybody having their private vehicle dipped...
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It has been a few years, but I'm aware of it happening once in southwest Oklahoma. As it happens, fuel pumps have to be periodically checked for calibration by whatever State department handles weights and measures, and a fellow pulled his tractor in on a trailer, filled up the tractor at the off-road-use pump (okay) and then proceeded to fill his pickup at the same pump (not okay), all while the guy from the State was watching him while calibrating one of the gasoline pumps. Caught in the act.
I have no idea how much the fine was, but it must have been more than the tax he was trying to avoid.
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03-03-2015, 01:57 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,577
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Here in montana we get our trucks checked at the scales every once in awhile,if caught can be 10000$ fine and the IRS can do a audit , the pickups have been known to get checked at the cattle auction yards, it isn't worth it.
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03-03-2015, 02:11 AM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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ULSD is such that running a fuel quality additive year round is a good idea.
Major chain truck stops carry a variety. HOWES, and POWER SERVICE are two of the better ones.
Those two have winter versions available.
I would call SCHAEFFER brand products best, but availability is mail order for my region.
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03-03-2015, 07:35 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 21' Globetrotter
Houston
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,320
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So, just another diesel blend anecdote: Last year, I was driving my MB GL320 up the Texas panhandle in mid February. Parked for the night in Amarillo, and woke up to 7 deg F temperatures and a sub-zero wind chill. Tried to start the vehicle, and sure enough, the fuel had gelled. Had to have it towed to a garage, warmed up, and later that day, I got it going and continued on my trip. Used the anti-gel fuel additive thereafter.
As I sat around waiting for the vehicle to become functional again, I learned a few things courtesy of the internet--take that at face value:
-Plain-Jane, unblended diesel fuel will gel at 17 degrees F, a much higher temperature than I thought.
-Winter blends are not implemented everywhere in the US (as I learned)
-Biodiesel blends increase the tendancy to gel. I typically avoid biodiesel, and thought I had been doing so, but I discovered on my way back through the panhandle that many of the stations in that area were providing a 5-20% biodiesel blend.
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03-03-2015, 08:15 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 Interstate Ext. Coach
Sedona
, Arizona
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,084
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Belegedhel
So, just another diesel blend anecdote: Last year, I was driving my MB GL320 up the Texas panhandle in mid February. Parked for the night in Amarillo, and woke up to 7 deg F temperatures and a sub-zero wind chill. Tried to start the vehicle, and sure enough, the fuel had gelled. Had to have it towed to a garage, warmed up, and later that day, I got it going and continued on my trip. Used the anti-gel fuel additive thereafter.
As I sat around waiting for the vehicle to become functional again, I learned a few things courtesy of the internet--take that at face value:
-Plain-Jane, unblended diesel fuel will gel at 17 degrees F, a much higher temperature than I thought.
-Winter blends are not implemented everywhere in the US (as I learned)
-Biodiesel blends increase the tendancy to gel. I typically avoid biodiesel, and thought I had been doing so, but I discovered on my way back through the panhandle that many of the stations in that area were providing a 5-20% biodiesel blend.
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The moral of some of these stories is to carefully read the stickers on the pump before you start filling.
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03-03-2015, 09:40 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2009 27' FB International
Silsbee
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
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I have been a process operator in a oil refinery for 35 years. Like others have said there is NOT good and bad Diesel, only different additive packages. We can and do change the blends of Diesel to meet the customers specific specs. Like No 1 or 2 Diesels, Cetane Indexes (kinda like octane) etc..
Additives that can be added for customers are Detergents, Lubricity, Stabilizers, Cetane Improvers, Pour Point reducers (this helps in cold weather), biocides, and corrosion inhibitors.
Fun Fact, Kerosene is Jet Fuel. Its Distillation numbers are very close to Diesel, the Refiner will adjust the Freeze Point of the Jet Fuel for obvious reasons
In the Refinery I work at every drop of Kerosene is blended into the Diesel pool cause that's where the economics point (more money).
Another thing, there are strict standards set by the API and ASTM for Hydrocarbon Fuels, so nobody gets to cheat the customer.
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03-03-2015, 10:05 AM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,868
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Schrader
Fun Fact, Kerosene is Jet Fuel. Its Distillation numbers are very close to Diesel, the Refiner will adjust the Freeze Point of the Jet Fuel for obvious reasons
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Which is one reason diesel costs more than gasoline these days, because the aviation market snatches up so much of it.
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03-03-2015, 12:22 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Durango
, Colorado
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 426
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Quote:
Originally Posted by handn
I live in the Colorado Mountains in the summer and for years I lived there all year round.
I drove my vehicle many times when temps were 10 to 15 below zero with number two diesel without difficulty.
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You were most likely not running straight number 2, unless you specifically purchased it from vendor who did not run winter blend.
Almost every station in Colorado automatically switches to winter blend in late October.
I have lived in Colorado since 1960 and it has always been that way since I've lived here.
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03-04-2015, 07:35 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,222
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The big 3 truck stops (Love's, Pilot and Flying J - the last two have recently merged) in many states are peddling bio-diesel with signs saying up to 20% ratios on the pumps out front for pickups/rvs and in back for the big rigs.
My Mercedes 3.0 liter diesels in both the 2007 ML320 and my wife 2009 E320 are limited to 5% as is my 2012 Cummins in the Dodge Ram. Crossing Texas, even some of the top tier gas stations are selling that "stuff".
I swapped the original 34 gallon tank on the Dodge for a 56 gallon Titan under bed tank so I can have fuel stop selections within a 600 mile range.
So look carefully before starting the pump.
The bio-diesel caustic damage can be very expensive to repair and be sure you don't get it on the paint!
The largest user of all fuels in the world is the US Military. That is a nice contract for BP.
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