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Old 12-14-2014, 06:17 AM   #57
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Quieter A/C unit ... It's earplugs for now.

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How about quieter water pump? I don't know how they are in the newer Interstates, but ours sounds like a jackhammer operating on a Manhattan sidewalk. Initially we did not know if this was normal or not, so we checked the forums and, yup, it's a common complaint among RV owners of all types. My husband read me a post where one guy got so fed up with his entire family being awakened every time someone used the commode in the middle of the night that he somehow wrapped his pump in a memory foam mouse pad and spliced shock-absorbing segments into the water lines to dampen the sound. Yes, it's fun to tinker - and very practical as well.
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Old 12-14-2014, 06:39 AM   #58
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I would like to see fellow Interstate owners generally pleased and content with their purchases, viewing assets and limitations thru a realistic lens.

Not being one to shy away from expressing an opinion , I still consciously waited awhile before jumping into this thread. I hate to see dissatisfaction mounting over some things which are inherent in these rigs.

QC issues notwithstanding, accepting what they are and are not is an important part of satisfaction and quality of life/travel, which is what we all want.

Be realistic in your expectations, do what you can with your own selves to mitigate things you don't like.....is all I'm sayin'.

I'm sure JC is following this thread and will do what they can to make modifications.


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There's a paradigm issue in here. For many of us, it's not a matter of being "dissatisfied" - it's a contemplation of what's next on the to-do list for improving the vehicle. That's a whole 'nuther headspace. If anything, the feeling is closer to elation than dissatisfaction, like hey - I bet I could solve that one.

I said what I said because I was concerned about rebuttals having a chilling effect on conversation. If the thread is "what would you change?" and someone says "I would change that" and then someone else says "you should not want to change that", folks of certain temperaments might find it discouraging. Not me - I will shoot off my mouth regardless. But that kind of thing does de-motivate some people, which I'd rather not see.
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Old 12-14-2014, 07:27 AM   #59
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There's a paradigm issue in here. ....
Let me offer the same perspective another way.

My husband and I built a semi-custom home and then spent the next 5 years customizing the custom home, including ripping out some of the original components and installing new stuff, as well as adding a lot of other stuff.

We didn't do that because we were dissatisfied with the original build. On the contrary, we were SO thoroughly satisfied that we felt it merited the incremental investment (and given that we value our time, energy, and money quite highly, that's quite a statement).

If instead we had been dissatisfied, we would have said, "Ah, screw it - it's not worth it" and we would have continued to live in an unmodified tract house until life's demands moved us to whatever location came next.
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How about quieter water pump? I don't know how they are in the newer Interstates, but ours sounds like a jackhammer operating on a Manhattan sidewalk. Initially we did not know if this was normal or not, so we checked the forums and, yup, it's a common complaint among RV owners of all types. My husband read me a post where one guy got so fed up with his entire family being awakened every time someone used the commode in the middle of the night that he somehow wrapped his pump in a memory foam mouse pad and spliced shock-absorbing segments into the water lines to dampen the sound. Yes, it's fun to tinker - and very practical as well.
Adding an accumulator to your water circuit downstream from the pump is likely to make a major improvement in reduced noise. This is pretty easy to do. They cost around $35, and they look like this:

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Adding an accumulator to your water circuit downstream from the pump is likely to make a major improvement in reduced noise. This is pretty easy to do.
Finding room for one under the Interstate's galley near the pump is not so easy to do. If anyone manages to find room to mount it, by all means post pictures!

But in my case, it appears that the main reason for the noise is that the pump is fastened down directly to the Interstate's original metal floor, and you can't insert any kind of vibration dampers between pump and floor without raising the pump so high that it hits the drawer it's nestled under. I don't really hear any "water hammer" effect that an accumulator would solve.
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Finding room for one under the Interstate's galley near the pump is not so easy to do. If anyone manages to find room to mount it, by all means post pictures!

But in my case, it appears that the main reason for the noise is that the pump is fastened down directly to the Interstate's original metal floor, and you can't insert any kind of vibration dampers between pump and floor without raising the pump so high that it hits the drawer it's nestled under. I don't really hear any "water hammer" effect that an accumulator would solve.
Hmmm. On my older Interstate, the pump was way in the back, where there was more room. Note, however, that you don't have to install the accumulator in-line with the pump--it will work just as well if you just T off a stub, feed it into one side of the accumulator, and cap off the other side.

My interstate definitely had pronounced hammering. Maybe the newer ones are better.
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...I'm sure JC is following this thread and will do what they can to make modifications. ..
I'm thinking that no one from Airstream reads what people complain about else issues like the sink cover would have been fixed long ago.

We are still on the fence on buying an AI or any B Van, but for the Interstate, the one common thread that amazes me is the problem with the sink cover turning on the hot water, creating a possible flood of the grey water tank. (At least I hope that it would just be the GW tank…)

Reading here and elsewhere tells us that this problem is a rite of passage or something you learn to live with, but this should have triggered an immediate re-design, a letter of apology from the President of Airstream and a lifetime voluntary recall. This way if the current owner is willing to live with this design Faux Pas, the next owner could have it fixed for free. I know that we can take a mental note to remind us to check, but what about when the kids/grand-kids/friends accidentally do this? Putting sticky notes or grinding down the handle on a $150K purchase seems like the wrong way to fix this one.

And for what it’s worth, we are not that picky/snobbish, more along the lines of practical. Our current way of camping is an 18x17 Northwest Territories Tent, a Mr. Buddy tent heater with a 20# Propane tank, a Queen sized air bed and sleeping bags.
If it wasn't for age and rain, this would suffice us for the next 10+ years..
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I'm thinking that no one from Airstream reads what people complain about else issues like the sink cover would have been fixed long ago.
Well, remember, Airstream isn't Airstream and hasn't been for many years. Airstream is Thor, which is a very large business. Airstream products are not designed by lovers of life on the road. They are designed by professional designers who know what will attract buyers. This almost always results in attractive designs and quality finishes, which are the strong points of the Interstate compared to the competition. But, a lot of details inevitably fall between the cracks, details that smaller upfitters are more likely to get right. I think you are correct that Airstream literally doesn't care about issues like the sink. They realize that most purchase decisions are made at dealer showrooms, not by carefully reviewing the Internet as you wisely are. In that context, the folding sink thing is very impressive, and the flooding problem isn't even on the radar.

The Thor design process gives you a lot to be proud of -- we were certainly proud of our Interstate. But, I suspect they are significantly less popular as second B-vans than as first ones. I don't regret our purchase of an Interstate one bit. But, we went another direction for our second van.
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Old 12-14-2014, 07:52 PM   #65
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Yep, you definitely have to pay attention to the faucet. Haven't overflowed ours yet :knock on wood:, in fact the percentage of owners who do may be quite small.

Remember, all the negatives posted here are tiny compared to all the good times, which often will go unposted. I agree that the sink/faucet design should have been fixed allready, but I knew it existed going in, and if you can't live with it, don't.
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I replaced the noisy standard pump with a variable flow pump below. It is much quieter and is pretty much is a direct replacement. Now I don't wake the neighbors.

Flojet R4515743A 3.7 GPM VSD Pump


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How about quieter water pump? I don't know how they are in the newer Interstates, but ours sounds like a jackhammer operating on a Manhattan sidewalk. Initially we did not know if this was normal or not, so we checked the forums and, yup, it's a common complaint among RV owners of all types. My husband read me a post where one guy got so fed up with his entire family being awakened every time someone used the commode in the middle of the night that he somehow wrapped his pump in a memory foam mouse pad and spliced shock-absorbing segments into the water lines to dampen the sound. Yes, it's fun to tinker - and very practical as well.
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I replaced the noisy standard pump with a variable flow pump below. It is much quieter and is pretty much is a direct replacement. Now I don't wake the neighbors.



Flojet R4515743A 3.7 GPM VSD Pump

I did the same based on your experience and posting over on Yahoo Group. It has been a great improvement.

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They realize that most purchase decisions are made at dealer showrooms, not by carefully reviewing the Internet as you wisely are. In that context, the folding sink thing is very impressive, and the flooding problem isn't even on the radar.
When I was shopping for a Sprinter-based Class B, I stunned the sales staff at two dealerships by lying down on my back and sticking my head under the van to find out where all of the under-body components were: water and waste tanks, propane, spare tire, generator, etc. "What are you doing?!" they asked. "Verifying," I replied.

And in one case, when I asked to look under the hood, the salesman didn't even know how to open the hood! When I asked why he didn't know something so basic, he said that most of the people who come in to shop for a motorhome are only concerned with the interior. I left almost as soon as I heard that— just after I demonstrated to him how to open the hood.

One of the reasons I bought my Interstate, as oposed to any of the other brands that I viewed, was the saleslady at Foley RV, Claude Ann Doolittle. Every question I thought to ask, she had the answer, all courtesy of a spiral-bound notebook full of hand-written notes that she had taken during her factory tour of the Interstate assembly line. I'd much rather buy from someone who knows more about what I'm buying than I do, who can actually answer my questions.

At the other dealers, I knew more about the vehicles I was considering than did the sales staff, due to my own pre-visit online research. If they won't bother to learn about what they're selling, that does not bode well for service after the sale, either.
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I did the same based on your experience and posting over on Yahoo Group. It has been a great improvement.

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Thanks for this... this is information I can use. I wasn't so concerned about waking the neighbors as I was about remaining silent and unobtrusive while boondocking where we perhaps shouldn't be. Not turning on the generator - no problem, we can get by on battery in many scenarios. But it's very difficult to boondock without using the water pump. It can be done but it's a royal pain.
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Airstream products are not designed by lovers of life on the road. They are designed by professional designers who know what will attract buyers. This almost always results in attractive designs and quality finishes, which are the strong points of the Interstate compared to the competition. But, a lot of details inevitably fall between the cracks, details that smaller upfitters are more likely to get right.
Very well-stated. I think people get into trouble when they assume that all the engineering on the inside will be on par with the bling on the outside. Life is never like that - it never delivers everything in one convenient package, whether we're talking about people, vehicles, jobs, or whatever. It's up to us to create the final package that we wish to see. And that's OK because it's fun.
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