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08-14-2016, 04:52 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 Interstate Ext. Coach
Great Falls
, Virginia
Join Date: Feb 2015
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What are my batteries draining so quickly?
I am traveling and wanted to boondock but my batteries seem to drain in a few minutes, even after a charge from driving. So when I stop, there is only 30 on the meter and the generator won't turn over. Any ideas why the batteries would be draining so quickly? I don't have anything on at all.
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08-14-2016, 05:22 AM
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Dazed and Confused
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1983 31' Airstream310
Hillsburgh
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When asking for assistance, it is always helpful to state what Airstream year and model you have. I know you probably posted in an appropriate forum section to your model, but when your thread comes up in portal, we don't know what forum section it comes from.
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08-14-2016, 05:45 AM
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Rivet Master
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 2,190
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Driving doesn't give you a good charge.
You should test the health of your batteries.
#1 Get a cheap plug in 12 volt meter, or a hand held volt meter.
#2 Plug in RV to shore power. ( an AC outlet )
#3 Check that the charger is working by looking for 13.8 volts ( results vary depending on what charger you have )
#4 Let the batt charge for 8 hours
#5 Unplug your RV from shore power. Check to see if voltage is over 12.8
#6 Don't use any 12 volt device…let RV sit for a day or two. Eliminate any phantom draws of electricity
#7 Check for " Resting Voltage " Normal resting voltage ranges fro 12.6 to 12.8
Much less than 12.6 resting voltage indicates that your batts need replacement sooner or later.
You might have a faulty battery monitor. You might have a phantom draw ( propane monitor, radio etc ) Your batteries might be done. You might need a new charger. It might be operator malfunction ( Read up on batteries )
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08-14-2016, 06:13 AM
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Rivet Master
1977 31' Sovereign
1963 26' Overlander
1989 34' Excella
Johnsburg
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,944
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Battery check
If the batteries are shot, the voltage while trying to crank the generator will fall dramatically. Check the battery output voltage with a meter while someone tries to start the generator. Less than 10 volts, means the batteries have reduced capacity.
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08-14-2016, 06:46 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Have you checked the water levels in your battery cells?
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08-14-2016, 06:50 AM
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Rivet Master
2024 Interstate 19
Fulton
, Maryland
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,867
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Quote:
Originally Posted by k9jackie
I am traveling and wanted to boondock but my batteries seem to drain in a few minutes, even after a charge from driving. So when I stop, there is only 30 on the meter and the generator won't turn over. Any ideas why the batteries would be draining so quickly? I don't have anything on at all.
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Jackie - we know you have a 2014.5 Interstate from your profile. Unfortunately I don't think that driving gets the batteries charged. The logic in the BIM is just not optimal to keep the batteries fully charged.
You can get your generator started by using the battery boost switch near the driver left knee. It will take two people to do this. Start the Sprinter and hold the boost button while someone else starts the generator using the rear control panel.
- - Mike
2013 Interstate Lounge EXT on 2012 Sprinter
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08-14-2016, 10:37 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Bellevue
, Washington
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 689
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Definitely smells like bad batteries to me as opposed to rapid discharge. What does the solar controller say when your engine is running? If it says 100% and then drops to 30% after you turn it off, it definitely points to bad batteries.
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08-14-2016, 05:46 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 23' FB International
Woodstock
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,423
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Quote:
Originally Posted by amirm
Definitely smells like bad batteries to me as opposed to rapid discharge. What does the solar controller say when your engine is running? If it says 100% and then drops to 30% after you turn it off, it definitely points to bad batteries.
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Ditto. Been there. Take your battery to a dealer for a load test but I would say your battery is toast.
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08-14-2016, 06:31 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 7,070
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No need to take the batteries in just get a hygrometer, a few bucks, and test the cells. If any one cell is lower than the others it will draw the set down. If you have a low cell you are buying 2 batteries because batteries in parallel should be matched.
Don't expect driving to fully charge your batteries between the usage of boon docking.
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08-14-2016, 06:43 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 Interstate Ext. Coach
Sedona
, Arizona
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,084
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Airstream Interstate uses AGM batteries. Sealed and no maintenance other than keeping it correctly charged.
If it's plugged into shore power for an extended period, the unplugged and the state of charge drops appreciably within minutes, then it's due to ruined batteries.
Did you recently buy it? A dealer ought to have a warranty that covers the batteries.
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08-14-2016, 08:00 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central
, Canada
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,082
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mandolindave
You should test the health of your batteries.
#1 Get a cheap plug in 12 volt meter, or a hand held volt meter.
#2 Plug in RV to shore power. ( an AC outlet )
#3 Check that the charger is working by looking for 13.8 volts ( results vary depending on what charger you have )
#4 Let the batt charge for 8 hours
#5 Unplug your RV from shore power. Check to see if voltage is over 12.8
#6 Don't use any 12 volt device…let RV sit for a day or two. Eliminate any phantom draws of electricity
#7 Check for " Resting Voltage " Normal resting voltage ranges fro 12.6 to 12.8
Much less than 12.6 resting voltage indicates that your batts need replacement sooner or later.
You might have a faulty battery monitor. You might have a phantom draw ( propane monitor, radio etc ) Your batteries might be done. You might need a new charger. It might be operator malfunction ( Read up on batteries )
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Nice post. Lays out things very well.
Thank you!
Cheers
Doug
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08-14-2016, 08:58 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
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It's hydrometer as in "water" hydro. A fully charged battery will read 1280 on the hydrometer. Best to test after the battery has been off the charger for at least an hour.
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08-14-2016, 11:17 PM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TG Twinkie
It's hydrometer as in "water" hydro. A fully charged battery will read 1280 on the hydrometer. Best to test after the battery has been off the charger for at least an hour.
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All of the batteries in an Airstream Interstate are sealed AGMs, and so a hydrometer will not help you. Hydrometers are only useful for wet-cell batteries.
However, for the benefit of trailer owners that have wet-cell batteries, TG Twinkie is correct that a hydrometer is needed. A hygrometer is used for measuring atmospheric humidity. A hydrometer is for measuring the density of a liquid. The reading of 1280 to which TG Twinkie refers is actually a density of 1.280 compared to distilled water which has a density of 1.000 by definition. Pure sulfuric acid, H2SO4, has a density of 1.84. The diluted water/acid mixture should have a density of 1.28 when the battery is fully charged.
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08-15-2016, 09:12 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central
, Canada
Join Date: Mar 2014
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I have been a little concerned about my batteries the past few weeks as they (seemed) to be draining faster than normal. As a result, I plugged in the trailer last night and plugged in my volt meter to confirm I was getting 13.8 volts as articulated in mandolindave post above. I'm getting 13.7.
Left it plugged in overnight and can confirm this morning that I have 12.3 volts once I unplugged the trailer. So if I follow the numbers as articulated earlier, it looks like I might have a problem (or do ). These batteries are less than a year old so I sort of want to get to the bottom of this before they go off warranty.
Any input into this would be great
Thanks
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08-15-2016, 10:02 AM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
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You can not check batteries just after charging and expect that to tell you anything. Batters have what is known as a Surface Charge right after charging. Let them set for a while.
Another consideration is what is running in background? Do you have a CO2 detector running? If so that is drawing current and will lower the battery voltage. If you are checking battery voltage on batteries connected in parallel the have to be disconnected from the trailer and from each other.
If you are using wet cell batteries, and it looks like we have both types in the tread, the only real test is the Hydrometer, and thanks TG Twinkie for the spell check.
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08-15-2016, 01:23 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mandolindave
You should test the health of your batteries.
#1 Get a cheap plug in 12 volt meter, or a hand held volt meter.
#2 Plug in RV to shore power. ( an AC outlet )
#3 Check that the charger is working by looking for 13.8 volts ( results vary depending on what charger you have )
#4 Let the batt charge for 8 hours
#5 Unplug your RV from shore power. Check to see if voltage is over 12.8
#6 Don't use any 12 volt device…let RV sit for a day or two. Eliminate any phantom draws of electricity
#7 Check for " Resting Voltage " Normal resting voltage ranges fro 12.6 to 12.8
Much less than 12.6 resting voltage indicates that your batts need replacement sooner or later.
You might have a faulty battery monitor. You might have a phantom draw ( propane monitor, radio etc ) Your batteries might be done. You might need a new charger. It might be operator malfunction ( Read up on batteries )
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Not bad except your voltage points are not correct, assuming that the Interstate has Lifeline AGM batteries.
The inverter/ charger (hopefully a Magnum MMS-1012) should be bulk charging the AGMs at 14.2 VDC.
After charging, remove the negative battery terminal to eliminate ALL loads on the batteries and Allie them to 'test' for 4 hours minimum.
After resting, the no load voltage should be at 12.8-13.2 VDC.
If lower, your batteries have lost their charge retention capacity.
Lifelines are covered by a 5 year pro-rated warranty but this does not apply to poor battery charging habits or allowing the batteries to sit for long periods in a discharged state.
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08-16-2016, 08:15 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 Interstate Ext. Coach
Great Falls
, Virginia
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Update: I was able to get the generator to crank after being on the road 4hrs hours, I stopped and did NOT prime the generator that time. I had just enough power to get the generator working and drove another 2 hours with it on. ( I know you're not supposed to but it was hot and the dogs needed A/C)
The rapid draining started happening after I let the AI sit for 2 weeks without turning off the battery disconnect. I am hoping it is related to that and just a temporary issue! Maybe connecting to shore power for 8 hours will fix it or help determine if it is shot.
Thanks for the info on testing the batteries. I will test when I can connect to shore power.
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08-16-2016, 08:47 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2013 Interstate Coach
Bradenton
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 194
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I drive with generator running all the time..
It gets hot back there and if there are passengers, they need to stay cool..
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08-16-2016, 09:05 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 22' Interstate
League City
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 698
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Quote:
Originally Posted by k9jackie
The rapid draining started happening after I let the AI sit for 2 weeks without turning off the battery disconnect. I am hoping it is related to that and just a temporary issue! Maybe connecting to shore power for 8 hours will fix it or help determine if it is shot.
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The AI has zero tolerance for battery mismanagement. We call the parasitic loads that eat batteries a design flaw while Airstream will call this operator error.
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08-16-2016, 09:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2024 Interstate 19
Fulton
, Maryland
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,867
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Quote:
Originally Posted by k9jackie
Update: I was able to get the generator to crank after being on the road 4hrs hours, I stopped and did NOT prime the generator that time. I had just enough power to get the generator working and drove another 2 hours with it on. ( I know you're not supposed to but it was hot and the dogs needed A/C)
The rapid draining started happening after I let the AI sit for 2 weeks without turning off the battery disconnect. I am hoping it is related to that and just a temporary issue! Maybe connecting to shore power for 8 hours will fix it or help determine if it is shot.
Thanks for the info on testing the batteries. I will test when I can connect to shore power.
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There is no problem running the generator while driving. But leaving your Interstate sit for two weeks, not plugged in will drain your batteries even if you did turn the disconnect switch off. I assume you have the 100 watt solar panel on your Interstate. That might help if the van was in direct sunshine all day.
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2013 Interstate Lounge EXT on 2012 Sprinter
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