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Old 09-25-2016, 11:35 AM   #15
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Been a diesel guy forever and love my big cat in the motorhome. Got a v10 f350 2 years ago and have been quite happy with it.
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Old 09-25-2016, 12:35 PM   #16
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Do we need to worry?

Our 2017 F-250 Diesel is coming with a 100,000 mile engine and drive-train warranty. I figure that should give us enough time to work the bugs out. And if not, in the meantime Ford will be out with a 5.0 EcoBoost and we will simply trade the sucker in.
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Old 09-25-2016, 01:07 PM   #17
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Right before I sold mine, had to replace both NOx sensors at $1,500. Was told that MB had software issues early on that caused them to run too hot and fail early. Of course they didn't feel obligated to help on the repair.

Always used "pure" diesel.
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Old 09-25-2016, 04:13 PM   #18
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Right before I sold mine, had to replace both NOx sensors at $1,500. Was told that MB had software issues early on that caused them to run too hot and fail early. Of course they didn't feel obligated to help on the repair.

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Were you required to replace them, or were you simply told they needed replacement?

As husband corrected me on what I said above. It's not necessarily the case that it's lawful to operate emissions-equipped vehicles without the controls functioning. But it is the case that, in Texas right now, there doesn't seem to be any path to emissions enforcement because diesel vehicles are exempt from testing. There's a subtle but important difference between the two.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:00 PM   #19
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In my part of California, as of 2010, any diesel 1998 or newer and 14000 lbs or less now requires biannual testing. Look for changing smog laws in a state near you.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:09 PM   #20
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This is why I won't own a diesel of any type especially a German made one. Too many high cost items to go bad. The object is to part you with your money and they are very efficient at it.

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Old 09-25-2016, 06:10 PM   #21
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Were you required to replace them, or were you simply told they needed replacement?

As husband corrected me on what I said above. It's not necessarily the case that it's lawful to operate emissions-equipped vehicles without the controls functioning. But it is the case that, in Texas right now, there doesn't seem to be any path to emissions enforcement because diesel vehicles are exempt from testing. There's a subtle but important difference between the two.
Was told that eventually it would go into a countdown mode of limited starts plus it would be very hard to sell w/ a CEL on. So while not req'd to replace them, thought it was necessary.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:54 PM   #22
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I had the EGR valve replaced at 29,000 miles; slight hesitation started at 20,000 miles and got progressively worse. Mechanic said it wasn't a real common problem, but then proceeded to replace it in 30 minutes and it looked like he has done it many many times. Commercial warranty was still in effect, but I think it would have been covered by the mandatory emissions warranty too. (Thankfully, as the cost was $500.) On the Sprinter forum some say they clean it every time they change the oil. At $500 I might start doing that too once it is out of warranty.

I always top off the DEF tank after a long trip, so have never encountered the low-DEF light. I drained the DEF after 2 1/2 years and refilled with fresh DEF. I am not sure I needed to but DEF is cheap (and draining it is easy) compared to fixing any problem that old DEF may cause.
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OMG...Has anyone ever heard of this???

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They haven't fixed it yet. Got the DEF fill warning at a bit over 7000 miles and filled it up within 19 miles. Next time out the warning did not reset, after an additional 15 miles the warning changed to a "xx Starts Remaining" countdown, a few miles later the warning changed to another countdown with a larger number. Eventually the countdown disappeared, replaced by the CEL. Dealer had to reset and charged me for it, claiming I didn't fill it soon enough. I wrote a letter to the Benz dealer, cc'd Airstream and Airstream Dealer to cover myself if this happens every time.

Same situation happened to me last year. Took it to the Mercedes Dealer and they replaced the NOX sensors. It was a warranty repair so I didn't get dinged for it. On the copy of the warranty invoice the charges were around $800. No problems since (knock on wood).

BTW, when the add DEF message appeared I stopped within a few miles and attempted to add DEF and it only too a couple of quarts.
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Old 09-25-2016, 08:08 PM   #24
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:58 PM   #25
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Same situation happened to me last year. Took it to the Mercedes Dealer and they replaced the NOX sensors. It was a warranty repair so I didn't get dinged for it. On the copy of the warranty invoice the charges were around $800. No problems since (knock on wood).

BTW, when the add DEF message appeared I stopped within a few miles and attempted to add DEF and it only too a couple of quarts.
The DEF tank holds five gallons and lasted me about 10,000 miles. YMMV
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The 'only took a couple of quarts' may be because the air could not get out of the tank as DEF was being added. There is a DEF tank vent line connected a couple of inches below the fill spout. I too had trouble adding DEF. So I drained the DEF tank (drain line is at the rear of the tank) and blew out the vent line. Now when I add DEF I do so with a funnel spout that reaches down past the vent line - so DEF can't accidently enter the vent line and cause an air lock. No problems since.
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My Ex married a guy who's nuts for German cars, MB's and BMWs.
It's given me quite a few laughs. In eightteen years I had to drive or fly over a hundred miles each holiday-period to rescue my daughter who broke down on the highway driving their German machines from DFW-area to my place in central Tx.
I buy American branded autos and always buy gasoline, and live a trouble-free life now that ALL the really-crazy problems belong to the ex's husband.
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