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Old 07-15-2016, 12:55 PM   #15
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Some of those big diesel buses and huge fifth wheels are downright tacky and gaudy, but still look really cheap and low quality.
They are over the top, sensory overload on unnecessary bling and wow.
I'm not sure I could sleep in a place so flashy and shiny.
I like low-key understated elegance.
The travel trailers are just cheap looking, but more conservative taste in styling.
I agree. The Breeze has too much wood trim on the surrounds around the slide-outs. But it is far less gaudy than some I have seen. What i like about it is that the cabinet doors and the cabinet fronts are all hardwood. They even round the corners on the cabinets which makes them look richer.

The traditional style cabinets doors give it a completely different vibe from the AI. I looked at the photos of a Monaco Vesta which showed cabinets looking more AI like. However, after viewing a used model and finding that the cabinet doors were cheap laminated material which caused warping of some of the larger doors, I ruled them out. Plus, if I get a Class A, I don't want a front engine model. Very noisy as you are sitting on the motor. I am also told there is a lot more heat generated which makes it more difficult for the AC to keep up while driving.
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Old 07-15-2016, 01:24 PM   #16
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I have personally met and worked with the Tiffin family, from Bob that started it, the sons, and grandson that all still work and run it. I have never heard a bad thing about them or the motorhome service. Go by Red Bay, Al. and check them out.
Tiffin sponsors a forum much like this one. I read every post that mentioned "Breeze" in the title that was posted during the past year. Took me awhile. One thing that struck me was the lack of negative comments about the company. For the most part, the opposite was true as there were many instances mentioned where the company went above and beyond on warranty issues. There were many mentions of being able to directly talk to Bob Tiffin for the lowdown on some issue.

Another poster here mentioned the reliability of the Maxxforce 7 engine. I saw very few posts regarding engine issues with the Breeze on the Tiffin forum. And most of those were for minor issues that were related to building the motorhome. Navistar had a class action lawsuit about reliability issues on their line of larger motors used in over the road trucks.

When doing a Google search for the Maxxforce 7 engine, I did find some issues with it but I also found some companies had good reliability with them. Lots of diesel school buses use this same motor. Also, some installations of this motor have them much more highly stressed than the one used in the Breeze. Breeze motors are rated at 210hp/560 ft lb for the early ones and 240hp/620 ft lb for the later ones, while some companies use a 300hp/800 ft lb version.

One owner with his coach for sale was on his second Breeze. He put 35K miles on the 2013 that he traded for his current 2014. It has over 20K miles and he said he did not have issues with either motor. He surely would not have bought the second Breeze if he had issues with the first one. So who knows.

If it doesn't work out for us to make a change, that will be fine as we would continue traveling in our AI. And enjoying it.
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Old 07-15-2016, 02:16 PM   #17
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Tiffin sponsors a forum much like this one. I read every post that mentioned "Breeze" in the title that was posted during the past year. Took me awhile. One thing that struck me was the lack of negative comments about the company. For the most part, the opposite was true as there were many instances mentioned where the company went above and beyond on warranty issues. There were many mentions of being able to directly talk to Bob Tiffin for the lowdown on some issue.

Another poster here mentioned the reliability of the Maxxforce 7 engine. I saw very few posts regarding engine issues with the Breeze on the Tiffin forum. And most of those were for minor issues that were related to building the motorhome. Navistar had a class action lawsuit about reliability issues on their line of larger motors used in over the road trucks.

When doing a Google search for the Maxxforce 7 engine, I did find some issues with it but I also found some companies had good reliability with them. Lots of diesel school buses use this same motor. Also, some installations of this motor have them much more highly stressed than the one used in the Breeze. Breeze motors are rated at 210hp/560 ft lb for the early ones and 240hp/620 ft lb for the later ones, while some companies use a 300hp/800 ft lb version.

One owner with his coach for sale was on his second Breeze. He put 35K miles on the 2013 that he traded for his current 2014. It has over 20K miles and he said he did not have issues with either motor. He surely would not have bought the second Breeze if he had issues with the first one. So who knows.

If it doesn't work out for us to make a change, that will be fine as we would continue traveling in our AI. And enjoying it.
My research on the Maxxforce 7 engine was while researching the Monaco Vesta. I never buy used vehicles but when researching small diesel coaches I found nothing I liked. I really liked the look and concept of the Vesta and thought if I could find a "cherry" used one I would customize it to suit my needs. That is when I researched the Maxxforce 7 engine. Not in the Breeze but in all vehicles. As is said, I was so concerned by it I called the service manager at Navistar. He told me in no uncertain terms that he would not buy it and that is why they no longer make them. I assume that is why Tiffin switched to the Cummins, a tried and true, in the '16 Breeze. That being said, Im sure there are people that have had no problem. but for me and the long distance travelling I plan on doing.....too risky.
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Old 07-15-2016, 04:47 PM   #18
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All roof mounted AC units are loud. The ONLY quiet ACs I've seen were AC units that were installed in the basement and just ran the cold air up to ceiling ducts. Not many RV builders do it that way.
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Old 07-15-2016, 05:01 PM   #19
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My research on the Maxxforce 7 engine was while researching the Monaco Vesta. I never buy used vehicles but when researching small diesel coaches I found nothing I liked. I really liked the look and concept of the Vesta and thought if I could find a "cherry" used one I would customize it to suit my needs. That is when I researched the Maxxforce 7 engine. Not in the Breeze but in all vehicles. As is said, I was so concerned by it I called the service manager at Navistar. He told me in no uncertain terms that he would not buy it and that is why they no longer make them. I assume that is why Tiffin switched to the Cummins, a tried and true, in the '16 Breeze. That being said, Im sure there are people that have had no problem. but for me and the long distance travelling I plan on doing.....too risky.
The Maxxforce 7 did not require DEF as they used a gas recirculation system to meet emissions. Those rules changed recently and their motor would no longer meet the standards. The Cummins they are now using requires DEF and the tank takes up one of the storage areas. The guy who had the 2014 unit that I talked with said the Cummins has less horsepower and was not as economical.

I read some posts on a school bus site about the Maxxforce 7 where they were discussing the subject of extensive idling. The company warned against idling the motor for long periods of time as that could be harmful to the EGR system. One of the guys, who was in charge of a school bus system, commented on how upset his drivers were when he installed a timer that would not let the motor idle longer than five minutes. He said they had a lot fewer issues once the timers were installed. If I recall correctly, Mercedes does not recommend extensive idling either.
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Old 07-15-2016, 06:14 PM   #20
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The company warned against idling the motor for long periods of time as that could be harmful to the EGR system.

If I recall correctly, Mercedes does not recommend extensive idling either.
Diesel engines run for long periods at idle speed are subject to a phenomenon called "wet stacking" because the engine runs too cool, leading to unburned fuel being exhausted. You normally hear about it with generators, but it can also affect automotive and truck diesel engines that idle for long periods. This can play havoc with any kind of exhaust treatment system, whether EGR or DEF. It's not very good for turbochargers, either. Some engines have a separate "high idle" setting to help avoid wet stacking.
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Old 07-15-2016, 07:37 PM   #22
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All roof mounted AC units are loud. The ONLY quiet ACs I've seen were AC units that were installed in the basement and just ran the cold air up to ceiling ducts. Not many RV builders do it that way.
We visited with some people in Columbia, SC looking to sell their 2012 Breeze. They had the slideouts out and the AC on as it was well over 90 degrees. The Breeze has two roof units and is ducted through the ceiling. It was nearly as quiet as in our house and, even with my poor hearing, we were able to carry on a conversation easily. I also was surprised at how quiet the generator was compared to the one in our AI. It is mounted in the nose of the coach.

On the last day of our month long May trip out west, we stayed in Nashville, TN as our last stop. I noticed our next door neighbor struggling with his cable hookup. I went over to see if I could help. He and his wife had just purchased this year 2000 40' motorhome. Turns out they needed help on where to go on their new smart TV's to do an auto search for the cable stations. While in their coach, I was surprised at how quiet their AC was, even in a 16 year old vehicle. They also had roof mounted AC's that were ceiling ducted.
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:22 AM   #24
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{While we have taken two separate month long trips in our coach and have enjoyed them, there are times we wish we had a bit more room...and a quieter AC. We are at the point where we want to travel for a couple months or more at a time so we have decided to look for a somewhat larger coach. I have been keeping the AI in a 25'x40' storage building with a 12' high door. Finding a small class A diesel pusher that will fit through that door, and have at least close to the quality of the AI, has been a challenge. }

What's your thinking about parking and towing? we've gone through some of the same thought-process, but I"m not ready to tow or move to a much larger footprint and give up the park-ability. Would maybe consider a LTV Unity, but probably nothing larger.
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{While we have taken two separate month long trips in our coach and have enjoyed them, there are times we wish we had a bit more room...and a quieter AC. We are at the point where we want to travel for a couple months or more at a time so we have decided to look for a somewhat larger coach. I have been keeping the AI in a 25'x40' storage building with a 12' high door. Finding a small class A diesel pusher that will fit through that door, and have at least close to the quality of the AI, has been a challenge. }

What's your thinking about parking and towing? we've gone through some of the same thought-process, but I"m not ready to tow or move to a much larger footprint and give up the park-ability. Would maybe consider a LTV Unity, but probably nothing larger.
We began towing our Fiat Abarth last May. On our trip to the NE, we planned on visiting downtown Philadelphia and Boston. Finding a parking space for the AI would have been a challenge. We now would not think of traveling without the tow car. When we arrive at a campground, we can hook up and then not have to tear down when we want to go somewhere.

The other advantage concerns our dog. She does not sleep during the day while we are moving. So she is worn out when we arrive at a campground. By the time we arrive and get settled, it's usually time for us to check out the area and find a place to eat. We place her in her cage, with the obligatory treat, and she rests in air conditioned comfort while we are gone. By the time we get back, she is rested and ready for her evening walk.

It is much easier to drive the Fiat to attractions and it gets way better fuel mileage. On the last trip we drove to the top of Pike's Peak, up to Silverton and Ouray from Durango, the fifty miles from our campground to Carlsbad Caverns, etc. We could have done all of that in the AI but it was much more enjoyable in the Fiat.

Thus we are already conditioned to tow a vehicle. You don't know it is back there and the rear camera is great for knowing when you have cleared a vehicle while passing on the Interstate. The tow bar and Brake Buddy all stow in the Fiat behind the rear seat. It takes us only a few minutes to hook up the car.

You cannot back up with the tow car attached so it is imperative to plan ahead before you pull in somewhere. We have only had to unhook the car once. We pulled into a lookout on the Blue Ridge Parkway and the only way out was the way in with not enough room to turn everything around. Lesson learned.

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{While we have taken two separate month long trips in our coach and have enjoyed them, there are times we wish we had a bit more room...and a quieter AC. We are at the point where we want to travel for a couple months or more at a time so we have decided to look for a somewhat larger coach. I have been keeping the AI in a 25'x40' storage building with a 12' high door. Finding a small class A diesel pusher that will fit through that door, and have at least close to the quality of the AI, has been a challenge. }

What's your thinking about parking and towing? we've gone through some of the same thought-process, but I"m not ready to tow or move to a much larger footprint and give up the park-ability. Would maybe consider a LTV Unity, but probably nothing larger.
Airstream is coming out with a new motorhome that will likely be like the LTV but hopefully nicer that may start delivery in the Spring. Waiting to see what it looks like.
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I think overall Tiffin manufactures a good coach that will last a long time, but they lack the style and simple elegance of an Airstream.

I know decor is a subjective thing; but the inside styling looks like our home 30 years ago

Airstream manages a more contemporary look in my opinion.
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Looking at the Tiffin 32 Breeze floor plan: It appears that with the slide "in", the kitchen counter, where the sink is, may block passage to the hallway and bathroom beyond. Probably worth checking that out before writing the check.

It's a lovely RV and we wish you many happy trails ahead.

However, like most non-Airstream RV's, the Tiffin's interior looks like it was designed by Grandma and doesn't particularly appeal to us. If they'd just do a serious update to the decor, it could be an interesting option.
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