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Old 02-26-2016, 09:39 AM   #29
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<<<<REALLY???? Your batteries won't be giving you much service if you let them get discharged to that point (11.8VDC) on a regular basis. >>>>

That is why I have an affinity to old fashioned (i.e. relatively cheap) lead acid batteries.

If I screw up and let the batteries discharge at some point, (and I will), the error is not a grievous and really expensive mistake.


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Setting aside thread-drift, Coder is seeing the very tip of a much larger iceberg. He says:
"It's a long, slow, unpleasant process." Well, that's putting it mildly... and politely.

Lemon laws look great on paper. The reality is that manufacturers and dealerships work hand in glove to crush any such claim that comes along. One would think they would be anxious to make things right, but that simply isn't so. Even good-hearted service managers that would like to help have their hands tied by the chain-of-command's upper echelons who see each LL claim as a potential flood gate.

LL claims require owners to religiously maintain and regularly produce records so complete and detailed that the average owner simply doesn't keep them. The defense is well financed and will drag its feet and/or drown you in paperwork as needed. Never make the mistake of thinking that your dealership will "do the right thing" once you make your administrative claim or even file suit. Whether because they just don't care or whether they're being forced to shill for some dark, secret Darth Vader further up the food chain, makes little difference to the consumer. Either way, LL claims are a PITA and rarely as successful as they should be.

The current political environment does not bode well for this state of affairs. Heck, the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was defunded and gutted before it was staffed. Your tax dollars at work, folks. The Chamber of Commerce crowd is winning by a landslide... and has been for the better part of the last 50 years.

All that said, if your LL case is to have any chance at all, document, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, right from the git-go, until you're blue in the face. Write down everything that is said to you quickly while its still fresh in your mind. That goes for telephone as well as face-to-face conversations. Even better, consistent with your state laws, record every word.

Okay. Let me down from this soap box and I'll shut up.

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All that said, if your LL case is to have any chance at all, document, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, right from the git-go, until you're blue in the face. Write down everything that is said to you quickly while its still fresh in your mind. That goes for telephone as well as face-to-face conversations. Even better, consistent with your state laws, record every word....
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Document even if you don't think you'll ever make a LL claim or a warranty claim and even if you think your overall expenses are going to be unremarkable. It will serve you well upon resale if you can hand a concise bundle to a prospective buyer and say "Here are all the replacements and upgrades that were done."

Hubster and I kept our receipts of course, but didn't explicitly document from the beginning because we didn't imagine that we were going to get into expenditures as far as we have. So now I'm going back and spreadsheeting everything we've invested, and also creating a 3-ring binder to organize original receipts and personal note-taking (tab headings = Electrical, Solar, Mechanical, Structural, Appliances, Propane, Plumbing, Finishings, Accessories, and Misc).
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:36 AM   #32
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Very impressive, especially the cradle work. That's probably a very specialized build beyond the scope of most local RV engineers. Are they designed to hinge down as in the photo, or were just being installed at that point?

Yes it was a very specialized build. The racks do swing down to install/remove batteries. Got the basic idea from some others on the Sprinter-Forum. The tolerances I had to build to for the available space made me sweat a few times. I had to do a lot of fit checks as I built the racks. BTW I'm an Aerospace Engineer. 😀


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As an aside, I like how Mike appears to have built his own wheel ramps. So far I have been using our Valterra stackers, and I like them and feel confident in their use, but I'd like a bit more loft for certain jobs. And top quality. The commercially-available truck ramp / riser options can get expensive. Automobile versions are cheap but their weight ratings are lower.

I built those ramps from scrap 2x lumber I had laying around my shop. You could make them higher if needed. Mine are in pieces stacked together like Lego blocks. I had to size mine to fit the storage limits of my garage/shop.


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Old 02-26-2016, 11:52 AM   #34
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Yes it was a very specialized build. The racks do swing down to install/remove batteries. Got the basic idea from some others on the Sprinter-Forum. The tolerances I had to build to for the available space made me sweat a few times. I had to do a lot of fit checks as I built the racks. BTW I'm an Aerospace Engineer. 😀


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Really impressive, Mike. I was a software engineer, not exactly the right type of engineer for this work.
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Nice pics Mike.....I noticed a little "pavement kiss" on the ground effects.....also, how did you manage to get up on those ramps without smashing the LP box?


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Nice pics Mike.....I noticed a little "pavement kiss" on the ground effects.....also, how did you manage to get up on those ramps without smashing the LP box?

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That pavement kiss came from a friends place in North Carolina. Their driveway is so steep I always scrap a little going in and out of their place. I'm working with a local Sprinter speciality shop to add some custom made assist airbags to the rear suspension. Hopefully they will allow me to lift the rear for those steep driveway situations.

Those ramps do touch the LP box lightly. I just have to place the ramps carefully and as I back up them the LP box clears OK. I've had to replace the cover on that LP box once already after hitting a deep pot hole. On my current trip I noticed the cover is all cracked up again. This time I think it was when I backed over some frozen snow in a parking place after the big snow we got in January. My goal is to relocate that LP fill panel higher, but I haven't yet figured out exactly how I will do it. The location of that fill panel is the dumbest thing Airstream did on these Interstates.


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Perhaps we should have a 'dumbest thing Airstream did' site. My candidate would be a shower stall that does not drain completely regardless of vehicle orientation. Though on any given day/trip my vote may change. My wife's (spotter) main job when parking Titus is to watch the LP fill box.
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... On my current trip I noticed the cover is all cracked up again. This time I think it was when I backed over some frozen snow in a parking place ...
I hope the weather jockeys are reading this. The argument was put forth on other threads that the "Interstate was designed to be used outdoors" and therefore snow does not matter. And as someone who lived over 20 years in a harsh winter climate, I noted that it's the *Sprinter* that was designed to be used in sub-zero weather - not the Interstate. The additions and appurtenances under the chassis were in no way designed to take the punishment that can result from slush ice and similar hazards that accumulate during snowy conditions. Case in point.
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Yes, if they cannot fix the Interstate, Airstream gets to buy it back for what I paid originally. It's a long, slow, unpleasant process. Working with Airstream on repairs has been pointless and aggravating.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/motor-home-lemon-law
While I do not own an Interstate, the fact that Washington has a lemon law for "motorhomes" intrigued me. Reading through the law, in the link you provided, it makes it clear to point out that the only thing covered by the law is the same things that would be covered by the automobile version, thus unless the house batteries are used to start and run the driving aspect of the vehicle they would not be covered under the law, so if there is a normal battery under the hood then it's a 5 min argument by the Airstream lawyer to shut it down. With how much of a process it would be to file a LL action, I would recommend confirming it before beginning the process. Best of luck correcting your issue.
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You may remember from postings last year that I am having so much trouble with my Airstream Interstate that it qualifies as a Lemon under my stateís Motor Home Lemon Law. In Washington state, the Lemon Law was enacted to help new motor home owners who have substantial continuing problems with warranty repairs, as I have had.

Itís been a long, slow, unpleasant process, and itís still dragging on. The Interstate was with the dealer for two weeks in November, to diagnose and fix a number of things. The repairs then were not successful, so I put Airstream on notice in a letter in November that I would be using the Lemon Law.

My local dealer applied SB-164 to my Interstate on January 19, and I had brand new Lifeline batteries installed. Airstream hoped SB-164 would fix the persistent battery draw my van experiences while parked unplugged.

It didnít. I parked the van on January 21st, with the batteries fully soaked to 12.8V. After 12 days, the batteries were down to 12.5V. On February 3, I charged the batteries for 9 hours on 110V, back up to 12.8V. On February 19, two weeks later, the batteries were again down to 12.3V or 12.4V. Thatís losing 25% or more in 2 weeks. So, the truck still cannot be parked for more than a month without damaging its batteries.

I am well and truly screwed, and so discouraged. If I do anything to change the truck, such as adding my own battery disconnect, I literally lose the protection of the Lemon Law. I can pull my batteries out and pull the wires off with a wrench whenever I park the truck. Anyone whoís done that can tell you what a hassle it is, and Iím always afraid Iíll leave something hanging wrong and start a fire after Iíve left.

Iím going to have to take the truck to a marine or RV electrical specialist and have the entire electrical system checked out and fixed. Itís going to be expensive, and itíll void my Airstream warranty and screw me on the Lemon Law, but the Airstream warranty is worthless (they havenít been able to fix anything so far) and at least Iíll have a working truck at last.

I loved my Airstream trailer. This truck, not so much.
Our Airstream Interstate 2015 is a lemon too. Listed below is most of what we have had to deal with.
Please note the following multiple repair issues which have led to a significant interference with our ability to use this new vehicle.

Leaks - in the back top lounge cabinet (related to awning.
Leaks - leak from faulty hose fastener behind bathroom
Leaks - current defective black tank vent from overly tightened screws
Defective propane switch - needed replacing
Defective propane gauge
Tank heater pads fall off (x2)
Significant squeaking between bathroom and rear seat - major defect causing multiple interstates to need repair
Electric wiring falls down from awning strut
Awning now with jerky opening in spite of our following the necessary instructions
Toilet paper cover does not protect water from coming in to the holder well.
Bathroom fan failure
Rear canopy hook (behind the lounge sofa) has very weak breakable hooks.

Please let us know if you are willing to share what happened with your situation. We are Chicagoans, so maybe not the same situation as out west.
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[QUOTE=Boxster1971;1754603]Here are the batteries under my van and a shot of the racks under construction. The last photo is a shot of my roof full of solar panels........

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Off the subject; I notice the TV antenna mounted onto the AC shroud. Actually a great place to make room for two 100W solar panels.

I did the same thing, glueing 3 foam blocks under the antenna to stabilize it.

You may or may not have a 1/8 to 3/16 UHMW (or similar) backing disc on the underside of the shroud. If you do not, here is a word of CAUTION.

Driving up I-84 in heavy CT rush hour traffic and wind gusts in the 30mph plus range, getting hit by one of those gusts I hear a klunk, look into the driver side mirror and see a tractor/trailer eat my antenna.

Once arrived at home, a brief inspection revealed a gapping hole in the AC shroud.

Well, nothing a $120 shroud, a $100 paint job and a new antenna wouldn't fix.
The Winegard RS-3000 antennas are a little different now so it had to be mounted on a suitable place on the roof. The cable could be spliced with a connector. The existing amplifier works with the new antenna, so the job was a bit easier.
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