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Old 12-08-2014, 12:33 AM   #29
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slick hidden solution for you rifle/shotgun(s)

Here is a dandy solution to carry a shotgun/rifle safely in my 2012 Lounge model:

BSR « Big Sky Racks
($69 on Amazon)

Model BSR-1 holds a shotgun nicely - bracket is securely mounted up behind the Lounge rear overhead cabinet (in that space that I have yet to see anyone use on their rig - see photo of that area - not my rig, though)
I have a cloth cover over the whole assembly, too, so it isn't obvious what is there with the rear doors open.
I can reach up from the inside of the vehicle (rear doors still closed) and remove the shotgun in case I need to confront a bad guy at the door.

I'm not sure the if 2-gun model would fit up there, but i might.


Also, if you want a super secure, 50-state legal method to carry your pistol and ammo, but still readily available to you in a jiffy (when the bad guy shows up), this Titan pistol vault can't be beat:
https://www.sonomadesignapparel.com/...onalSafety.asp

I'm looking for a more hidden place to mount this pistol box...any suggestions for a hidden spot, but not too buried?
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Old 12-08-2014, 06:40 AM   #30
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Here is a dandy solution to carry a shotgun/rifle safely in my 2012 Lounge model:

BSR « Big Sky Racks
($69 on Amazon)
Even for people who don't carry a gun, the BSR rack looks like it would be good for carrying a proper axe for chopping that firewood down to size.
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I'm looking for a more hidden place to mount this pistol box...any suggestions for a hidden spot, but not too buried?
Behind the passenger-side second-row seat, vertically, against the front wall of the wet bath. Relocate the fire extinguisher to a vertical mount on the inboard side of the gun safe (the fire extinguisher bracket is designed for vertical mounting anyway, not for horizontal mounting as installed). Between the seat (pushed all the way back against it, pull seat forward to access the safe) and the fire extinguisher, it should be relatively well hidden from casual view. Paint it to match the interior wall panels (light camel or dark onyx) to further make it less obtrusive nothing says "Important" like being the only black anodized item in the whole van.
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Old 12-08-2014, 06:42 AM   #31
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When we start talking military grade software, and Bond.James Bond, are we missing the point. We are campers, sitting by the campfire, singing Cumbaya, eating hot dogs and smores, and drinking beer, with our cell phones turned off.
Just joking around, I know full timers needs are different from mine
The point is different for different people. There is an idealized, romanticized version of the experience that involves Cumbaya, yes, and that suits some people perfectly. But not everyone. I made a decision some years ago to start my own business. It was simultaneously the most liberating and the most restricting lifestyle choice I've ever made. If you decide to become the captain of the ship, then there is never a moment when you are NOT the captain of the ship, so my sextant generally has to stay with me whether I'm singing Cumbaya or not.
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When we start talking military grade software, and Bond.James Bond, are we missing the point. We are campers, sitting by the campfire, singing Cumbaya, eating hot dogs and smores, and drinking beer, with our cell phones turned off.
Just joking around, I know full timers needs are different from mine
Well, we are talking about Interstates here. Last time I talked to Rick Foley, owner of Foley RV in Gulfport, he estimated that less than half of the Interstate buyers he deals with ever intend to use theirs for camping. An Interstate is a perfect "soccer mom" vehicle for hauling a passel of kids to a sporting event. It's a decent mobile office. The local Hard Rock Caf was looking into buying one to serve as a limousine (I'd guess with the galley converted to a wet bar).

There's plenty of room in the wide wonderful world of Interstate ownership for people who need to have their Interstate kitted out by Q Branch.
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...Behind the passenger-side second-row seat, vertically, against the front wall of the wet bath. Relocate the fire extinguisher to a vertical mount on the inboard side of the gun safe (the fire extinguisher bracket is designed for vertical mounting anyway, not for horizontal mounting as installed). Between the seat (pushed all the way back against it, pull seat forward to access the safe) and the fire extinguisher, it should be relatively well hidden from casual view. Paint it to match the interior wall panels (light camel or dark onyx) to further make it less obtrusive nothing says "Important" like being the only black anodized item in the whole van.
Pistol box is an interesting predicament because, almost certainly, if the time comes when quick access will be needed, that time will be in the middle of the night. So the choices would seem to be:

(1) Mount it within arm's length of the bed (difficult due to space restrictions)
(2) Mount it in an another location and remove it for immediate access each night (hassle; not an option if children are present).

Concealed carry was a P.I.T.A. in the back country; we found that the only minimally-aggravating way to do it was to augment a standard backpack with a fanny pack worn facing forward. But the good part is that every tent has a little mesh storage hammock at the very peak of the roof line, and that was the obvious place for the piece once one was bedded down for the night. But I've yet to work out a satisfactory management scheme for the Interstate.
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Old 12-08-2014, 07:30 AM   #34
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Pistol box is an interesting predicament because, almost certainly, if the time comes when quick access will be needed, that time will be in the middle of the night.
Then attach it to the driver's side rear door, so that the top of it is just about flush with the made-up bed. On the non-extended models, there's a space between the bed and the door that's just large enough to eat a pillow during the night if I don't block it with the foam armrests. And the driver's side door can't be opened until after the passenger-side door is, so you're not going to obstruct a door latch.

When the sofa is made up as a sofa, the gun safe would still be accessible by reaching down behind the seat, and the safe itself would only be visible when the driver's side rear door is open. How you disguise it so that no one recognizes it as a gun safe when the door is open is up to you, but as before, painting it something less obtrusive than black anodized is a start.
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Old 12-08-2014, 07:31 AM   #35
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Also, if you want a super secure, 50-state legal method to carry your pistol and ammo, but still readily available to you in a jiffy (when the bad guy shows up), this Titan pistol vault can't be beat:
https://www.sonomadesignapparel.com/...onalSafety.asp

I'm looking for a more hidden place to mount this pistol box...any suggestions for a hidden spot, but not too buried?
Oooooh, I like that box. Here is a less-pricey but potentially less-sophisticated version:

Amazon.com: Gunvault SpeedVault SV500 gun safe: Home Improvement

Related question: Many Interstate owners travel to Canada, where possession of handguns is not legal. From having watched a Canadian version of "Cops" on hotel room TV, I understand that the procedure is to declare them when crossing the border. Have them unloaded and zip-tied to indicate non-usable status. The border agent takes possession and then you pick it back up when re-entering the U.S.

Has anyone actually done that to the point where they can confirm that's all there is to it and when you show back up at the border, your weapon is still there waiting for you?

I don't know what the procedure is for rifles. Surely that issue has been well-solved, though, because so many people travel north for hunting.
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Old 12-08-2014, 07:48 AM   #36
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Unless you have small and unsupervised children along, why is a gun safe necessary or even desirable?

Doug always kept his hand gun in a soft sided carry case in the top cabinet that was his. Right next to his high-powered flashlight.

Perfectly legal, out of sight, but easily accessible.

Maybe Brinks Armored Trucks will start doing B Van conversions....everything in one package.



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Old 12-09-2014, 02:41 AM   #37
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For a 50 state gun safe I installed two NanoVault NV 100 gun safes on the interior sidewall of our wardrobe. I couldn't buy them keyed alike so I picked up two keyed alike cabinet locks at a hardware store. I keep a 380LCP in one and the magazines in the other. Not elegant but they work and you can get them on Amazon for under 20 bucks apiece.
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I dont want to start a gun thread here, but I think it is important to note that there is no such thing as a 50 state legal handgun. Be careful on the east coast, particularly if staying over night in MD, NJ, NY, CT, and likely others. Federal gun transport laws will not help you.
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Unless you have small and unsupervised children along, why is a gun safe necessary or even desirable?

Doug always kept his hand gun in a soft sided carry case in the top cabinet that was his. Right next to his high-powered flashlight.

Perfectly legal, out of sight, but easily accessible.

Maybe Brinks Armored Trucks will start doing B Van conversions....everything in one package.

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We do end up at some destinations where children are present. We also have more than a dozen very young, very active children on our cul-de-sac. They know that they are NOT supposed to go into the motorhome as I am running back and forth to the driveway loading or unloading it, but children are children and self-control doesn't always happen as planned and more than once I've found a curious someone inside of it. It was just part of my original arms training that if there is ANY chance of a child being present, the guns are locked up.
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I dont want to start a gun thread here, but I think it is important to note that there is no such thing as a 50 state legal handgun.
I don't think they're discussing a handgun that's legal in all 50 states, but rather a gun safe that meets the minimum requirements for firearms transport in all 50 states. In other words if you because of training, licensure, and/or legitimate need as defined by the state are duly authorized to carry a firearm in your vehicle, you can carry it in this safe because it stores the unloaded weapon separate from the ammunition, both locked up. But to truly be 50-state legal, the safe also has to be mounted in a trunk or other position where it cannot be accessed by any person inside the vehicle. And if you don't have a trunk or other inaccessible location, as in the case of an Airstream Interstate, then there are some states where even a gun safe of that kind will not be legal.

SCOTTinNJ raises a perfectly valid point. It's your responsibility as a gun owner to become familiar with the gun carry and transport laws for every state you intend to visit. In some of the more draconian states, only a registered firearms dealer can transport a privately-owned weapon. I know the owner of a shooting range in New Jersey (he used to be my neighbor in New Orleans) who stores guns on-premises for several of his regular clients so that they can avoid the legal hassles of schlepping their pistols back and forth.
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SCOTTinNJ raises a perfectly valid point.
Thanks. Just don't want anyone going to jail for thinking they can stick a gun in a "50 state legal" safe and drive anywhere they please.
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[QUOTE=SCOTTinNJ;1551587]Thanks. Just don't want anyone going to jail for thinking they can stick a gun in a "50 state legal" safe and drive anywhere they please.[/QUOTE

Your are correct but there does exist a Federal Law on intrastate firearm transport which I cite here:

FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS

A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage.

Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered.

Travelers should be aware that some state and local governments treat this federal provision as an affirmative defense that may only be raised after an arrest. All travelers in areas with restrictive laws would be well advised to have copies of any applicable firearm licenses or permits, as well as copies or printouts from the relevant jurisdictions official publications or websites documenting pertinent provisions of law (including FOPA itself) or reciprocity information. In the event of an unexpected or extended delay, travelers should make every effort not to handle any luggage containing firearms unnecessarily and to secure it in a location where they do not have ready access to it.

In the more draconian states, I sure wouldn't advertise the fact that I had a weapon onboard.
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