Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-21-2015, 01:30 PM   #43
Rivet Master
 
Lily&Me's Avatar

 
2006 22' Interstate
Normal , Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 13,558
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lily&Me View Post
Folks read these threads to get information, especially new folks.

I think it is important we not have newbies needlessly running in circles, hoping the sky doesn't fall.



Maggie
Somehow I knew you were gathering information and statistics, Protag.

Correct....potable would have been a more accurate term than palatable.

Still.....I have been in a number of campgrounds where there have been just the problems you speak of....someone running over a water connection, etc....and the campground turns the water off, fixes it, does whatever.

And, never an illness from the water, reports of illness, rumors of illness.

I don't intend to change my normal precautions, nor purchase a special filter, nor have I heard any information here or anywhere that indicates that is a reasonable step to take.

Do what you like, but I don't think it serves or helps anyone to promulgate unreasonable fears here....on this thread or any other.

Okay. I'm done, and out of this thread.


Maggie
__________________

__________________
🏡 🚐 Cherish and appreciate those you love. This moment could be your last.🌹🐚❤️
Lily&Me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 01:32 PM   #44
Rivet Master
 
Gene's Avatar
 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction , Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,840
Maggie, the sky doesn't fall for many people, but for a few, it does. I'm glad to hear you haven't had any problems and hope you never do. If we ever meet you somewhere, we'll be glad to give you a drink of water or beer, wine or maybe a gin and tonic.

Municipal water is supposed to be giardia free, but a couple of years ago Alamosa, Colorado, did have problems and it took weeks (and money) to solve it. A couple of decades ago, Idaho Springs, Colorado, did too. I recall it took weeks or more to clean up. Different places have different rules and levels of compliance. While EPA has regulations, most states do the enforcement and often do a poor job. I don't know what Canada does, but remote CG's probably don't see inspectors very often and problems can happen between infrequent inspections.

A CG manager may say they have municipal water and have a well and not know the difference. We have had salty water along the coast of Nova Scotia—the well was too close to the harbor and salt water was infiltrating the well. I realized it when brushing my teeth and used bottled water after that. I assume oil and gasoline was in the harbor water too. These were cabins and the manager was unaware there was a problem. I've been to CG's where the water was light brown from runoff, even from a well—in fact I had the same problem with a well I had 20 years ago. That's when I installed a whole house filter. The silt that comes at times can harbor bacteria and parasites according to the Colorado Dep't of Health and a municipal system can have have problems. I was on a small water company's board for years and we had periodic problems with silt which made the state authorities very upset until we spent $700,000 on a new filter plant. We never heard of anyone getting sick except for the one board member who got giardia. We never knew whether it was from his RV camping or our water company.

I hate to sound like an alarmist, but we just look at it as being careful because getting sick spoils travels. I wash lettuce that had been washed before just because it is safer, though probably unnecessary most of the time. I don't go so far as peeling the fruit even though that may be a good idea too because of pesticides.

That exterior filter is a pain at times. When temps are going down to freezing at night, I have to disconnect the water hose and drain it and the filter. Usually I don't do it until late in the evening when I see the temp dropping fast. It is wet and cold and I don't enjoy it. It is just part of camping and easier than setting up a tent and cooking over a fire. And then the water jug freezes in the tent anyway. I wasn't always so careful when we tent camped and never added anything to the canteens to sanitize them. We never got sick then either. Being older, I assume our immune systems aren't so vigorous now and so we take precautions. I'm sure it isn't for everyone.

Gene
__________________

__________________
Gene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 01:36 PM   #45
Rivet Master
 
Lily&Me's Avatar

 
2006 22' Interstate
Normal , Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 13,558
And, I mightily respect your opinions and perspectives, Gene.


Maggie
__________________
🏡 🚐 Cherish and appreciate those you love. This moment could be your last.🌹🐚❤️
Lily&Me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 01:46 PM   #46
Rivet Master
 
Gene's Avatar
 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction , Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,840
Pro', the regs in Colorado for water companies are similar. And that means that small "community" systems may be small enough there is no regulation. My time on a water company board taught me that many small systems are poorly run and do little or no testing regardless of what the state required.

Testing is not cheap and some testing businesses are not state regulated either. Our company had to send some water for testing far away to get results that the state would accept. This was expensive and time consuming. And there were so many tests required that it was difficult to keep track of it and do it in time.

We on the board kept after it, but other companies in the area resented all that government regulation and spent more time and energy avoiding regs than following them. Their systems would break down and people did not get any water for weeks at a time. I doubt they sanitized their systems properly when they got back on line. Despite the fact everyone wants clean and good tasting water, not everyone gets it. Once you are involved in a water company you don't know just how good or bad a job various companies or municipalities do, but you do find out about how some do a sloppy job. When traveling, you are completely ignorant about what the local water provider is doing or not doing.

Gene
__________________
Gene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 01:59 PM   #47
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,300
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lily&Me View Post
Do what you like, but I don't think it serves or helps anyone to promulgate unreasonable fears here....on this thread or any other.
I'm not trying to promulgate fears, unreasonable or otherwise. But if Airstreamers are going to make decisions, they should make informed decisions.

I wasn't gathering statistics and info. I already had them. In my past life in the Army Corps of Engineers, I was responsible— along with our beleaguered and understaffed Safety Office— with monitoring no less than fifteen water wells at manned field sites. Fun fact, the State doesn't send people out to take water quality samples. The well owner takes the samples, sends them to a state-approved but independent testing lab, and then both the State and the well owner get copies of the test results. The State doesn't step in until the well fails a test, or they notice that required tests didn't happen. I learned that the field foremen at our sites never were adequately trained on how to take the water samples, so we had to get them trained. Most well owners never get training on the right way— or even the right place— to take samples.

I analyzed water quality test results to see what kind of treatment was necessary to comply with Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals water quality requirements. I designed treatment systems for those wells. I even wrote technical specifications for installing new wells when the old ones ended up with cracked casings or other irreparable damage. Ah, the joys of working on the Operations side of the house; my duties were many and varied, and I got a full 33 years of experience, not one year of experience 33 times. But anyway…

Everyone should decide for themselves whether they will use an external filter or carry gallons of bottled water or whatever. As for me, I use the el cheapo external Camco filter because my Interstate has no internal filter under the sink. I don't spend extra to get a 5-micron filter. But I also travel with a full fresh tank filled from home, just in case.
__________________
WBCCI #1105
TAC LA-4

My Google-Fu is strong today.
Protagonist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 05:09 PM   #48
Rivet Master
 
Gene's Avatar
 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction , Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,840
Pro' is right—the state doesn't take the samples, people do and many do it wrong. I gave heard stories about people taking river samples who stand upstream from the bottle and contaminate the sample, or people who contaminate the sample bottles when faucet samples are taken.

It used to be when you got a mortgage and had a well in the county I used to live in 15 years ago, you had to get a basic water sample and it was taken by the County Dep't of Health, but they stopped that. I didn't get samples of the well water at our new house and the only lab I know of in Grand Junction is not state approved. One way you can have problems in your house is if you have copper pipes and old flux (or whatever they use) with lead in it was used and the plumbing was done by someone who used too much. I had a lead problem in some bathrooms in one house and had to replace all the fittings. I checked all the other faucets and they were fine. Lead was banned in the late '70's, but people used old stuff when they did copper plumbing even though the house was built in 1983. Fortunately we didn't drink the water from the bathrooms, but I'm sure the kids who had been raised there did. Children are much more sensitive to lead and one of them is in jail for life after killing his wife. I only met him once and thought he was kinda dumb.

So, there are many ways to have some problem and you can't worry about them all. Who really knows what's in the water at a restaurant? Or, if that supposedly clean water in the bottle you buy is tested? I remember being told decades ago not to drink the water in Mexico, but you could brush your teeth with it so long as you didn't swallow any. How do you not swallow any? And some is absorbed under your tongue. But you can protect yourself from some things rather easily, and we do.

Gene
__________________
Gene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 07:45 PM   #49
Rivet Master
 
73shark's Avatar
 
2011 Interstate Coach
Overland Park , Kansas
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,748
And you also have to worry about ice in drinks in Mexico.
__________________
Glass half full or half empty to an engineer is the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

PM me for sale info on my 2011. SOLD!
Upfitted Transit 350 sitting in driveway.
73shark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 08:22 PM   #50
4 Rivet Member
 
MaineStreamer's Avatar
 
2007 20' Safari
Saco , Maine
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 348
An advertising email from Airstream Supply has this filter info:
Tip #3: Get your water system ready. Newer Airstreams come with a Pentek inline filter which keeps your water filtered. These should be replaced after filtering 3,300 gallons or after a year, whichever comes first. You want to make sure you have better tasting water to drink and cook with.
Clearly this is not a $15 filter, since the cartridge alone is nearly twice that price, and 5 micron rather than 100 micron, as the Walmart filter is.
__________________
Marty Womer
Saco, Maine
MaineStreamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 08:30 PM   #51
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,300
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaineStreamer View Post
An advertising email from Airstream Supply has this filter info:
Tip #3: Get your water system ready. Newer Airstreams come with a Pentek inline filter which keeps your water filtered. These should be replaced after filtering 3,300 gallons or after a year, whichever comes first. You want to make sure you have better tasting water to drink and cook with.
In the trailers, maybe. Not in the Interstates, unless that's one more thing they've changed since the 2012 model year. An external filter is the only filter I've got.
__________________
WBCCI #1105
TAC LA-4

My Google-Fu is strong today.
Protagonist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2015, 08:40 PM   #52
2 Rivet Member
 
2015 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Aston , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaineStreamer View Post
An advertising email from Airstream Supply has this filter info:
Tip #3: Get your water system ready. Newer Airstreams come with a Pentek inline filter which keeps your water filtered. These should be replaced after filtering 3,300 gallons or after a year, whichever comes first. You want to make sure you have better tasting water to drink and cook with.
Clearly this is not a $15 filter, since the cartridge alone is nearly twice that price, and 5 micron rather than 100 micron, as the Walmart filter is.

I have a 2015 27FB and the water filter that comes with the trailer is below the kitchen sink and only filters the kitchen sink. Not sure if they filter before or after the mixing valve for hot and cold.
__________________
BASE729 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 10:13 AM   #53
Rivet Master
 
Lily&Me's Avatar

 
2006 22' Interstate
Normal , Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 13,558
I got a bit snappish here yesterday, and I apologize.

Poor behavior on my part.




Maggie
__________________
🏡 🚐 Cherish and appreciate those you love. This moment could be your last.🌹🐚❤️
Lily&Me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 12:01 PM   #54
retired USA/USAF

 
2001 30' Excella
Somerset , New Jersey
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,156
Previous owner of our Classic Excella installed a whole house filter below the bathroom counter. It serves the kitchen as well. I remove the cartridge in the fall as part of the winterization process and install a new one putting things back into service. In our previous AS I used the walmart blue canister on the outside connection. I do need to check the degree of filtration just for my own information. We do drink the water from the tank and will be careful to taste water before filling. We also carry bottled water for those times when it doesn't taste so good.
__________________
Roger in NJ

" Democracy is the worst form of government. Except for all the rest"
Winston Churchill 1948

TAC - NJ 18

polarlyse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 05:25 PM   #55
Rivet Master
 
Gene's Avatar
 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction , Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,840
So there is disagreement whether an inline filter comes with newer Airstreams. Maybe it comes with the top of the line trailers only, but where would it be? An inline filter usually is an exterior one attached in a hose that either fills the city water inlet or directly to the fresh water tank. There are two different inlets, so 2 filters would be needed if they were integrated into the body somewhere. Or it could be inside somewhere where the water lines from city water and the fresh water tank come together. Anyone have one?

This is a different style filter than some of us have been posting about. It is an integrated unit with the housing and filter together. I have seen such filters in stores, but the one I have has a separate housing and you take it apart and replace a separate filter inside. In a few years, you are ahead on cost.

And for years there has been a separate filter installed below the kitchen sink. It is (or was) a Moen. Airstream sells them for a lot more than you pay elsewhere. It comes with a watch style battery and when the filter has been there too long, a light comes on at the faucet to tell you to replace it. If you don't camp often, I imagine the battery fails before the filter does. This is also a one piece filter—housing and filter come together. You can remove this filter and rely on an external one and save more. Once you remove it a valve closes to prevent a leak under the sink and water flows at the faucet as if the filter was installed.

Maggie, I've been reading your posts for years and this is the first time you have ever strayed from your usual kind and friendly demeanor. I wish I could say the same about myself. Your exemplary behavior certainly excuses a one time [I]small[I] lapse. I believe it was caused by drinking unfltered water.

Gene
__________________
Gene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 06:12 PM   #56
Rivet Master
 
Lily&Me's Avatar

 
2006 22' Interstate
Normal , Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 13,558
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gene View Post

Maggie, I've been reading your posts for years and this is the first time you have ever strayed from your usual kind and friendly demeanor. I wish I could say the same about myself. Your exemplary behavior certainly excuses a one time [I]small[I] lapse. I believe it was caused by drinking unfltered water.

Gene
Thank you, but I must say honestly you apparently missed a few.

I try not to let annoyance get the best of me, but sometimes it just lurches out, with a complete mind of its own.


Maggie
__________________

__________________
🏡 🚐 Cherish and appreciate those you love. This moment could be your last.🌹🐚❤️
Lily&Me is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
H2O heater, H2O pump, and winterizing the ponz Winterizing, Storage, Carports & Covers 1 10-19-2005 04:25 PM
H2o leak from below (hot H2O tank ?) bigwoody Water Heaters, Filters & Pumps 3 09-27-2003 07:57 PM
Can't seem to get H2O from faucets dinoburb Fresh Water Systems 11 08-11-2003 07:56 PM
H2O source for batteries? Sav'h Steve Batteries, Univolts, Converters & Inverters 7 06-19-2003 06:57 PM
H2O replacement filter 1971 Roundhead Water Heaters, Filters & Pumps 9 02-17-2003 05:25 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.