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Old 06-19-2015, 09:59 PM   #1
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Finding Acceptable Diesel?

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We're in Rantoul, Il, heading to Chicago for a few days. After stopping at multiple stations all sporting the same "between 5 and 20% biofuel" stickers on the pump I gave up and did a partial fill. (I saw some mention on the web that the norm here is 11%, but who knows?) I found a map showing lots of B5 or lower stations around Chicago, but I'm not sure we have the range. Spending a day stopping at every station with diesel and looking for stickers doesn't sound fun. How do you folks handle this? And extra points for a station twiixt here and Joliet that meets Mercedes perhaps unreasonable standard (he says surrounded by corn)....

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Old 06-19-2015, 10:59 PM   #2
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In the part of the country I've traveled so far (all of the Gulf Coast states, plus Georgia, Oklahoma, and Arkansas) it hasn't been a problem finding B5 or less. The only stations I've encountered that have carried B20 are Love's Country Stores. So I never really considered "B5 or less" to be an unreasonable standard.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:34 AM   #3
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I use a diesel fuel additive such as Power Service Silver at every fill to ensure consistent fuel performance. I don't worry at all about B20 or down, just fuel freshness as the concern. HOWES my second choice off the shelf. I ignore the others. At 80k miles/yr I've tried them all in the late model Peterbilt. Have a way to measure amount, or over treat to a point.

National chain truck stops are the thing, and I prefer Flying J. I drive for work, and the J is almost always best in terms of services and amenities. I also frequent AMBEST independents.

LOVES as third choice.

Carry some extra fuel filters (Baldwin or Donaldson), buy the tools and know how to change it.

POWER SERVICE Fuel Fresh every once in a while. Can be combined with whatever is still in tank.

SCHAEFFERs Diesel Treat the best fuel additive out there (including Stanadyne) , but not usually seen on road. Order in bulk to carry along. Regular jet fuel results, so to speak.

Biodiesel is not the worry some make it out to be, IMO. Clean treated fuel has meant consistent results for whether at work or in my DODGE.
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Old 06-20-2015, 06:27 AM   #4
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Recently I installed a factory oem secondary fuel filter on the pickup. The new filter is 20 micron with water stripping capabilities and a water in fuel sensor. The existing factory filter is 5 micron with water stripping and water in fuel sensor. According to the documentation this set up will handle B20. There are many aftermarket or possibly a oem set up like I did to protect the fuel system.
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Toured an Interstate across the country and now a dodge cummins and on only one occasion found too high biodiesel. That was at a Walmart in Georgia. Put a few gallons in and went on my way. If you fill when you are at a quarter tank or more just putting a few gallons in is okay. It dilutes down to a safer level. Just fill up at your next chance.
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Old 06-20-2015, 06:48 AM   #6
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I have to admit.......I put in whatever diesel I find, and didn't know to be discretionary.

Corn and soybeans here, NOLA russ.



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The concern over biodiesel is that >5% may contaminate / manufacture engine oil. Apparently regular diesel also gets into the oil but is boiled off while operating. The Biodiesel fuel has a higher evaporation point and is harder to remove than regular diesel. A small amount of >5% probably is not an issue but a steady diet might cause problems.

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Hmmmm.....I will start paying attention.

Thanks for the info.


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My 2013 Ram manual says 5% bio or less. The 2014 manual says if you use between 5 and 20 you have to shorten the oil service interval which also changes the fuel filter. My manual doesnt mention that option. I have also read on turbodiesel register (forum) that you can add or change to a different filter setup but i dont think i can do that and maintain my warranty.

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1972 Magnuson Act covers that. And an additional filter shouldn't be a problem. But I'd imagine that the Severe Duty filter Dodge now has should cover it.

Biodiesel degrades more rapidly. Thus more problems with water. More algae.

One can also read on marine forums to see what the guys in hot/humid FL do with big tanks and long times between engines being run.

I used Startron from West Marine back when I became the second owner of this pickup as a result of those forums
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Finding Acceptable Diesel?

The info found on the Mercedes web site may help.
http://mercedes-benz.custhelp.com/ap...in-illinois%3F

This is the latest publication from Mercedes on biodiesel.
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA..._Brochure5.pdf

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I had no idea... Thanks for the info. I will be passing through Illinois this summer.


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I am a Bio diesel maker. The biggest problem for the fuel system is the Methanol that is used with NaOH to create the methyl esters (Bio Diesel). Unless the methyl alcohol is sufficiently removed after fractionation, It will cause problems with every rubber component in the system.

The percentage of alcohol contained in the finished product is the result of titrating the oil for calculated quantities of Methoxide (MeOH + NaOH) to add to the batch.
Alcohol remaining in a 5% by volume BioDiesel would be negligible, especially with the relatively clean feedstock. Fryer grease is another animal all together. You can run it with little worry of accelerated wear. I do not know what their industry standard is. I know what works for me. Biodeisel can also be manufactured using Sulfuric acid.
The father of the Diesel engine, Rudolph Diesel, designed his engine to run on Peanut oil, not Petroleum Oil or a variation thereof
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I won't use biogreaso after it caused me a two day stay to replace various components at a dealer caused by using it in the first place. I don't care what anyone says, I just won't use it, again, unless I absolutely have no other choice. So far, that has not been the case, including a 6000 mile trip from one side of the country to the other.

MurphyUSA branded stations around the midwest are common near Wal-Marts and carry pure diesel. On the road, I start looking when I am about 1/4 full until I find a station that carrys pure diesel.
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