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Old 11-11-2016, 10:30 PM   #15
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I think the bigger issue is having the entire trailer stolen, versus broken into. I have been Researching and settled on a few locks and devices to prevent stealing of the AS:

1. Brahma wheel lock - $240
2. Proven industries hitch lock $280
3. Spot trace GPS - $50 on sale at REI! $10 per month for service

I haven't heard of anyone having the trailer broken into, but you never know. Plenty of stolen trailers.

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Old 11-30-2016, 06:13 AM   #16
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I saw this posted on a RoadTrek blog for interior security:

https://canary.is/canary/?gclid=CjwK...C2PxoCo4bw_wcB

It'll alert you if anyone enters the trailer and allows you to look in on it over video. I've been considering it to monitor the interior, not sure yet what I'll do for the exterior.

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Doug (and others), this morning I put a new comment / question on that Roadtreking post you refer to, and I'm hoping Mike Wendland will weigh in now that he has presumably operated this device for a period of time and therefore has more direct experience with it.

My husband determined that he can convert the Canary to 12 volt, so that solved my original roadblock to the device (we will have lithium and the ability to run it on 120 but it's wasteful to do that).

However, the next potential roadblock is whether or not the manufacturer has improved its motion detector. As CNET said when they panned it in their review, "The over-sensitivity all but renders the thing unusable".

My compound concern with over-sensitivity is that it might be chewing through an unacceptably high volume of cellular data in the process. The thing was optimized for home use, where data consumption is not a concern. But even with periodic, discontinuous usage in a Class B, it might drive up the data and prove to be a very expensive proposition.

Anyway, if I learn more useful stuff from this line of research, I'll post back.
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Old 11-30-2016, 03:59 PM   #17
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One more comment on this.

Canary is currently taking pre-orders for a new new product called the Canary Flex. It is similar to the original device but is *battery operated* (with plug-in option) and also weatherproof. Furthermore it has several different mounting options including a hanging gizmo called a "twist mount" which looked intriguing for in-vehicle use.

Customer Service told me that it was designed to be mindful of cellular data consumption, because apparently they anticipated having non-broadband users of this product, unlike their original residential device which is the one the Wendlands purchased. I asked them if they could provide me more details on that, but I haven't heard back yet.

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Old 11-30-2016, 05:09 PM   #18
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Canary works for us even with the VZW data limit... we are not out that often that it is a huge consideration.
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Old 12-01-2016, 06:05 AM   #19
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Canary works for us even with the VZW data limit... we are not out that often that it is a huge consideration.
It's good to hear feedback like this because my husband pointed out to me last night that the Flex version of the device removes the temperature data stream. It has to, in order to be waterproof. I had initially overlooked that omission because I was so focused on whether or not they improved the data issue (bangs head on desk). I need the temperature feed feature for confirmation of conditions during those times when we leave our dog in the rig.
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Old 12-01-2016, 08:25 AM   #20
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We had our 2007 AI (T1N) broken into this Thanksgiving morning at 0130 in front of the Hampton Inn in Fresno, CA. Broke in via passenger wing window. They were scared off by night manager on routine patrol which saved us loss of most of our items. Yesterday, had Viper 3305V system installed. Had them draw power from house battery with siren and lights powered by chassis battery. Sensors tied into door lights and glass breakage audio sensor. Asked them not to tie in door locks into alarm key fob as they could get crossed. No auto start, tilt sensor or other sensors. Have blue LED now blinking on driver dash post. Had dealer install to keep warranty active. Got two-way key fob to alert me if alarm is activated. Going to put 8mm security film on wing windows. System installed less than 24 hrs so time will tell.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:24 AM   #21
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Jim, please keep us informed as to your progress. Protag speaks highly of Viper equipment (and he was also broken into). I'm considering a suite of additional security devices right now, and I haven't ruled that one out.
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Will do! Strong believer in KISS principle. Let me know if you want more details. PM me, if desired.
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:29 AM   #23
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Bill Goldman (Vanscapes) replied to Mike Wendland's Roadtreking thread with this link to his own analysis of these emerging internal security devices. He chose the Piper, not the Canary. He made some interesting observations that I hadn't seen elsewhere, not in CNET and not in PC Mag, particularly about the motion detection issues that plagued the Canary and how they have their basis in the tech itself (i.e., video detection only; no true motion detection using a physical detector).

However, Bill's analysis, too, is over a year old and the Canary has been modified since that time. Who knows which is best now?! The tech evolves so quickly that it's almost impossible to keep up. The good news is that the devices are relatively inexpensive so buyer's remorse on any one of them should be minimal if they don't prove to function optimally.
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FWIW, I pulled the fuse on the keyless entry on my pickup. Not much of a sacrifice. Better a broken window than denial of claim.
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Old 12-09-2016, 11:09 AM   #25
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An update to my Canary inquiries.

First, one item of backstory I don't recall mentioning on this particular thread:

Some years back, my stick house was burglarized and every single item of value was trucked out of it (literally trucked, as in, physically loaded out by pick-up truck through the attached garage), resulting in an insurance situation that took almost a full year to resolve. Because of this history, I'm pretty interested in security generally, and our house has more layers of security than a typical residence.

I went ahead and bought the original Canary device (not the Flex) and it has been running for about a week in our house. My ultimate intention was to also use it in our Interstate when the situation calls for it, but if I can get dual use out of an item, it becomes a much easier sell. Use it in the house when at home, use it on the road when on the road. My Bluetooth stereo speaker also falls into that category.

Anyway, so far I'm pleased. It operates as advertised. I have had zero false alarms, so apparently they did improve the earlier over-sensitivity issue. In a week's time, I had one alert when someone entered our house and the device did not recognize that person (it was a legit entry).

So for less than $200, you can get a device that is going to send you a text message when it sees something it doesn't like. And it's not going to bother you with a lot of useless overhead when it does not see anything questionable. It's not an comprehensive security system in itself, but there's something to be said for the service that it does provide.

Next task will be Interstate trials. That's a bit down the road as we first have to deal with the issue of powering it on the road.
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I recently had an attempted break in through the wing window on the sliding door. The yahoo just pried it up until the supporting bracket of the closure mechanism broke off. This is quite fragile-looking, and could probably be done without tools, especially if the window was cracked open a little for ventilation. The potential intruder could have just reached in and unlocked the door after he got the window off, but for some reason he stopped there. Maybe frightened off by a passer-by . . . I don't know, but this is a seriously weak area in the security of the Interstate. Has anyone had to have this mechanism repaired? Any advice on where to take it, or on a DIY repair? I am thinking about closing it permanently :-(
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Old 04-01-2017, 06:39 PM   #27
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The wing window is a weak point that I hadn't even thought of. Thanks for the heads-up.

As explained earlier in this thread, after much research, I went the way of the Wendlands, but I still don't have our Canary installed yet. It got bumped down the priority list because the lithium and cellular improvements needed to happen first. Now that we've got those done and also the roof done with reflective paint, the Canary is actually next on my priority list.

If someone stuck their arm in an Interstate sliding door wing window, it might be enough motion for a Canary (if properly installed) to detect, such that an alert could be sent to the owner's smart phone and the alarm manually triggered by the owner before the thief even opened the door. Maybe.

Incidentally, after this thread was hatched initially, my daughter got a Viper system installed in her car. I absolutely detest the thing. Its purpose is to safeguard the car, and to hell with its owner. It prioritizes the car over every other consideration. By design, it's difficult to work with and I know of no way to temporarily disable it (e.g., while camping and not wanting to be bothered by it). I'd have to see some really great ergonomic add-ons before I'd consider a system like that for our Interstate.
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Old 04-23-2017, 06:24 AM   #28
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A little bit sideways to the topic of the thread, but this issue came up briefly also on the Lounge To Twin Conversion thread.

My husband and I have increasingly realized that one of the keys to Interstate security is to turn the tables and leverage the vehicle's difficulties to our advantage.

It requires a bit of a paradigm shift. Rather than protecting it conventionally with alarms and whatnot - and those still have a place because the best security involves multiple complementary layers - part of this issue involves protecting the contents in less conventional ways.

Case in point, this device. When Pahaska yanked his couches, if it were me, I would have installed a couple of these in the floor beneath the new twin beds, while the space was opened up and accessible. These, then, become lashing points for valuables. And yes, a thief could defeat them in a number of ways. But THE WORKING SPACE WITHIN AN INTERSTATE IS SO RESTRICTED, that it's hardly worthwhile. It would take two hours! And it would require tools. Tools that cannot be inserted into the available space in order to operate, because there is so little available space. It becomes naturally defeating by virtue of the Interstate's small size.

Plus there's the psychological factor. If a thief comes upon the likes of this with something valuable chained to it, his or her first reaction will be, "Oh, sh**!"

Anyway, point being, if you have reason to secure valuables, by all means - devote some effort into keeping thieves OUT of the vehicle. But also think about the flip side as a Plan B - keeping valuables IN the vehicle. In that regard, this photo shows some pretty cheap security for less than ten bucks at Lowes.

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