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Old 07-17-2017, 06:46 AM   #15
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Intersting info. from Mercedes regarding approved fuel labels on pumps (toward the end of document)

https://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/Digital..._Brochure5.pdf
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:06 AM   #16
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Considering how much diesel fuel that Pilot and Love's stations pump you can bet local distributors are selling bio-diesel. Also thank Willie Nelson as he was an early supporter of bio-fuels. I should have added areas that grow soybeans too.
I contacted Flying J/Pilot customer service about Bio Diesel %'s.
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Thank you for contacting Pilot Flying J Guest Services! Not all of our stores sell bio diesel. Our diesel ranges from 5% to 20% nationwide. If you go to the following website, it can tell you what locations have bio diesel and what percentage is carried there. https://www.pilotflyingj.com/fuel-prices.

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Old 07-17-2017, 07:12 AM   #17
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Intersting info. from Mercedes regarding approved fuel labels on pumps (toward the end of document)

https://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/Digital..._Brochure5.pdf
Thanks for the link Bob...It is very informative!

Looks like we should look for only the "Green Label" when fueling our AI's!

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Old 07-17-2017, 08:50 AM   #18
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I contacted Flying J/Pilot customer service about Bio Diesel %'s.

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Thank you for contacting Pilot Flying J Guest Services! Not all of our stores sell bio diesel. Our diesel ranges from 5% to 20% nationwide. If you go to the following website, it can tell you what locations have bio diesel and what percentage is carried there. https://www.pilotflyingj.com/fuel-prices.



If you need any further assistance from Guest Services, please call 1-877-866-7378 and any representative that answers will be happy to assist you.

Thanks for posting the response from Pilot Flying J. I looked around the list and most stations sell bio-diesel. After going to one specific stations web page I noticed a fine print disclaimer.
https://www.pilotflyingj.com/disclaimer

Regarding bio-blends it says:
"Biodiesel and/or Renewable Diesel Blend Percentages - Pilot Flying J will use commercially reasonable efforts to meet these posted percentages. However, Pilot Flying J cannot guarantee blend percentages for all locations 100% of the time due to pre-blended diesel in the supply chain, store blending systems, supply availability, measurement calculations, temperature, etc."

I contend that since pre-blended diesel is already in supply gain you can't avoid it. It's time for Mercedes to change their design to handle bio-diesel as others have done.

Perhaps this issue also contributed to Mercedes dropping all diesel engines from there car/SUV line this year. They told the media that diesels were only 2% of their US car/SUV market.
http://autoweek.com/article/diesel/m...mpliance-fears

But all Sprinters in USA/Canada are diesel. Time to bring back the gasoline powered Sprinter that was once sold under Dodge logo. Or better yet a Sprinter with a nice Mercedes V-8 gas engine. I'm dreaming of an AMG V-8 in a Sprinter.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:48 AM   #19
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Intersting info. from Mercedes regarding approved fuel labels on pumps (toward the end of document)

https://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/Digital..._Brochure5.pdf
Pretty useful. Thanks.
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:56 AM   #20
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Thanks for the link Bob...It is very informative!

Looks like we should look for only the "Green Label" when fueling our AI's!

Mark
These "green labels" are often missing from pumps, along with any other labels, so it can be a challenge to figure out what's in the pump.

Also, some pumps have a blue "S15" label instead of the "green label" to indicate ULSD. I came across this in my recent trip to Oregon.
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End Your DEF and Bio-diesel Worries

Here is some fun... a Sprinter with AMG V-12 bi-turbo motor.

https://youtu.be/pjBBQQW5xtM
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Here is some fun... a Sprinter with AMG V-12 bi-turbo motor.



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Man this thread has really gone sideways......
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Truck stops sometimes have the pumps programmed to do one fluid before the other, but the Sprinter does not care. The slow filling is because a rapid fill of DEF goes down the fill tube and it goes down the vent tube that connects to the fill tube about 2" below the top. This creates an air lock in the DEF tank. Poor design. I use a funnel with a long neck so that the DEF goes into the fill tube below the point where the vent tube joins. That way I can add DEF as fast as the funnel allows, without causing an air lock.
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I have just been buying DEF at Walmart and filling when needed
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I ran low on DEF and went to the Mercedes dealership. Since their DEF came in small containers and were high priced, I only bought enough to get me through the trip. That said, the containers are nifty screw on and push down which will guarantee no spill. Cut off the bottom and you have a nice screw down funnel that can be used with the Walmart DEF jug. I haven't heard of any reason why you should be brand loyal when it comes to DEF.
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I haven't heard of any reason why you should be brand loyal when it comes to DEF.
As long as the original container is clearly labeled "ISO 22241" it's exactly the same stuff, regardless of brand.

One reason why I don't buy DEF at the pump at any truck stop is because I don't know if it meets ISO 22241 standards. THe only way to be sure is to buy it in sealed and labeled containers.
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