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Old 10-29-2015, 06:20 AM   #29
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I've tried a few dash cams and came up with the same conclusion.

But then I've spend some money and bought a BlackVue DR530W 2-CH HD/HD two years ago.
With 400 CAD quite expensive but so far so good.

A dash cam is something I'd highly recommend. For many reasons.

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... and if you have an older iphone or android device, or not using your current one as your GPS source, consider turning it into your dashcam. A number of good apps exist for the use with a wide variety of features. While they don't have the features of an installed unit, such as continual monitoring when the vehicle is off, I find they work well enough for a forward/reverse cam combo in my vehicle while traveling.
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That's called brandishing a firearm and is illegal just about everywhere.
True, even with a carry permit. Different if you are in an open carry state.
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Old 10-29-2015, 07:27 AM   #31
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True, even with a carry permit. Different if you are in an open carry state.
Not in a vehicle. Showing it to other drivers by holding it up where it's visible in your hand is still brandishment.
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Old 10-29-2015, 07:57 AM   #32
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What do you do if someone is trying to wreck you. Just let them or pull out a gun and show them that if you pull over that they won't come out on top. I had a guy get mad because he tried to pass me on the right hand side while I was trying to make a lane change. Then then he proceeded to get in front and slam on his brakes. Then he would block me when I tried to make lane changes to get away from him. Pulling out a gun was the only thing that got him off my back. It was a last resort. I was pulling a small trailer in an SUV and had my family in the car. I am supposed to pull over and let this guy do whatever he wants to me and my family even though I have the means to protect us? This was just some yahoo that was bored and wanted to harass someone.

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I got a little spooked reading the post at the end of the first page where the passenger got out of the car and walked into the shadows behind the driver. That's really scary and made me realize that I (the passenger in Interblog's post) didn't have a firearm within reach when we nearly wrecked our van. In future encounters if my wife is driving, I think I will get out of the car and back away from the scene (staying visible) while my wife addresses the other driver(s) from within the car.

I've had firearm instructors in both schools of thought. Some say never draw your weapon if you aren't going to fire. Another instructor believed that while you should be prepared to fire, if in the split second after you draw, the introduction of a firearm causes the perp to run or stand down, there is no reason to take their life. I'm generally in the first school of thought but respect the second. Hopefully I never have to make that decision.
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Pulling out a gun was the only thing that got him off my back.
I'm not going to debate the relative merits of showing a gun and using the threat of deadly force to avoid a fender-bender. I think it's a bad idea that could have gotten you jailed for road rage. You think it's a good idea. Neither of us will convince the other.

But this comes back to my recommendation of taking defensive driving courses. If you insist on maintaining a proper following distance even when some idiot tries to mess with you the way you describe, it takes all the fun out of it for him, because there would be no close call for him to get a thrill from. Likewise, if someone cuts in front of you closer than you'd like, your first instinct should be to slow down to increase your following distance, even before he can slam on the brakes, because you'll see him make his move before he's in position. When you drive defensively, you will have a better handle on all the traffic around you so you're less likely to be surprised by "swoop and squat" maneuvers, and you will also have a better handle on your possible escape maneuvers in the event you are surprised.

Here's an example from my personal experience. Just as you described, some yahoo cut me off and stomped his brakes, on I-10 in Kenner, Louisiana. But I was already slowing down to get back my following distance even as he started changing lanes, and avoided rear-ending him. He then proceeded to tool along down the Interstate at a mere 30mph, in violation of the 40mph minimum speed limit. I tried to get around, and he changed lanes to cut me off. I tried again, and he cut me off again. Repeat I don't remember how many times. Finally, a third car was coming up in the next lane over, and I took my chance. When the third car's right front fender was even with the yahoo's left rear fender, I changed lanes behind the third car. The yahoo was blocked from changing lanes and cutting me off again by the third car in his blind spot, and the game ended. It's true that the yahoo sideswiped the third car, and I do feel kind of bad for that. But the way I justify it, I didn't cause the accident between the yahoo and the third driver, the yahoo did. HE should have been driving defensively as well, and if he had he would have known that his lane change was blocked.
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From reading these posts it seems that most of them happen in Louisiana, Texas, Alabama or Florida. I just stay away from those places.

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With all the crazies in the world, you are lucky he didn't pull out an AK47 and blow you and your family away. Realize that someone in that frame of mind is not exactly using good judgment. Since there are so many guns out on the street (enough that every man, women and child in the entire country could have one), it's more than likely than not the person you are challenging may have one to return fire. And with the over-crowding of the prisons with non-violent drug offenders, there are a lot of violent offenders out that shouldn't be as well. Put the two together with cheap cars and gas, and you have a perfect storm for someone innocent to get killed. A 4 year was shot and killed in Arizona recently in a road rage incident, as I'm sure everyone knows. Her father without thinking flipped off the other driver when he was cut off. And for what? An instant of anger over being cut off by some worthless jerk?

The best way is to avoid escalating the situation. If that means back down, then that's a better solution than getting into a running gun battle where you or a family member could be killed.

When some jerk cuts you off (or alternatively, thinks you did something and causes him to go berserk) the best way to handle it is to ignore the finger gesture coming from or to him, or maybe try waiving to acknowledge blame whether right or wrong, back off the accelerator and let him go on down the road. If that doesn't work, call 911 and get help. It's hard to do, and is not the most natural response. But it may keep you or someone in your family from getting killed.

It's simply not worth the risk to challenge some nut driving down the road that may have just got fired or just caught his wife cheating, or just got a notice his parole is being revoked, and who is looking for a fight and wiling to take it out on you.

Anyway, that's my opinion. You may disagree, and that's certainly your right to do so.

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What do you do if someone is trying to wreck you. Just let them or pull out a gun and show them that if you pull over that they won't come out on top. I had a guy get mad because he tried to pass me on the right hand side while I was trying to make a lane change. Then then he proceeded to get in front and slam on his brakes. Then he would block me when I tried to make lane changes to get away from him. Pulling out a gun was the only thing that got him off my back. It was a last resort. I was pulling a small trailer in an SUV and had my family in the car. I am supposed to pull over and let this guy do whatever he wants to me and my family even though I have the means to protect us? This was just some yahoo that was bored and wanted to harass someone.

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Not in a vehicle. Showing it to other drivers by holding it up where it's visible in your hand is still brandishment.
I thought in New Orleans it is how you distinguish the "crewes" they are with??

Returning you to the banter. ...

Never "draw" your weapon without need (life threatening situation).. And ensure you and your loved ones you were protecting from the LIFE THREATENING ASSAULT are "judged by 12, not carried by 6".

Oh, yes, get the "insurance"..
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Old 10-29-2015, 12:06 PM   #38
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A 4 year was shot and killed in Arizona recently in a road rage incident, as I'm sure everyone knows.
It wasn't in Arizona. It was in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
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Thanks for the correction. I think that is what make my advice even more accurate. It wasn't east LA or some other high crime area, but exactly where you would never expect it to happen, proving it can happen anywhere. I've driven though there many times-great city and people.


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It's shocking how many of us have encountered this problem. Unfortunately, a dash cam wouldn't help much. The bottom line is that your front bumper hit their car. That's all that matters to Law Enforcement and Insurance companies. If they made several attempts as in Protagonist's case. The dash cam would clearly show it was no accident. Remember...... Always let karma do the ''dirty'' work..... Karma shows no mercy...I've seen it work..... I'm sure we all have.
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Old 10-29-2015, 04:48 PM   #41
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I was not trying to avoid fender bender. I was in fear for my life and my family. I was not experiencing road rage. The guy tried to kill us when he got in front and slammed on his brakes. I missed him hitting him by about 3 ft. When someone is actively trying to get you into a potentially fatal accident then it is him or me. I believed and still believe it was his intention to do me and my family bodily harm. There are some sick people out there. I would never pull a gun just because someone irritated me. I would also not chase them or try to run them off the road.

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I'm not going to debate the relative merits of showing a gun and using the threat of deadly force to avoid a fender-bender. I think it's a bad idea that could have gotten you jailed for road rage. You think it's a good idea. Neither of us will convince the other.

But this comes back to my recommendation of taking defensive driving courses. If you insist on maintaining a proper following distance even when some idiot tries to mess with you the way you describe, it takes all the fun out of it for him, because there would be no close call for him to get a thrill from. Likewise, if someone cuts in front of you closer than you'd like, your first instinct should be to slow down to increase your following distance, even before he can slam on the brakes, because you'll see him make his move before he's in position. When you drive defensively, you will have a better handle on all the traffic around you so you're less likely to be surprised by "swoop and squat" maneuvers, and you will also have a better handle on your possible escape maneuvers in the event you are surprised.

Here's an example from my personal experience. Just as you described, some yahoo cut me off and stomped his brakes, on I-10 in Kenner, Louisiana. But I was already slowing down to get back my following distance even as he started changing lanes, and avoided rear-ending him. He then proceeded to tool along down the Interstate at a mere 30mph, in violation of the 40mph minimum speed limit. I tried to get around, and he changed lanes to cut me off. I tried again, and he cut me off again. Repeat I don't remember how many times. Finally, a third car was coming up in the next lane over, and I took my chance. When the third car's right front fender was even with the yahoo's left rear fender, I changed lanes behind the third car. The yahoo was blocked from changing lanes and cutting me off again by the third car in his blind spot, and the game ended. It's true that the yahoo sideswiped the third car, and I do feel kind of bad for that. But the way I justify it, I didn't cause the accident between the yahoo and the third driver, the yahoo did. HE should have been driving defensively as well, and if he had he would have known that his lane change was blocked.
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There is definitely many good reasons NOT to display a weapon and aggravate an already dangerous situation. However, you must be ready to defend yourself and your family's lives against the thugs and unstable people on the roads. My experience comes from traveling the countryside in my RV,4-wheeler and motorcycle and I have been very lucky for the most part but your best defenses include leaving a good distance between the vehicles ahead of you, let people pass vs. sitting in your "blind" spots and always watching drivers and potential situations (brake lights ahead, weaving vehicles ahead and behind you, etc.) and look for an escape avenue if you need it. If you can, pull over and let the aggressor go by or get off the next exit. I think this buys you time, whether that be to call 911, escape/evade the aggressor or if all else fails, set up a defensive position of your choosing and prepare to engage. I'm sure many of you are aghast at my final choice, but our highways and cities can be very dangerous and the police can't be everywhere, you can be a victim if you want but not me.
I truly believe in the escalation of force doctrine where in my case the cell phone call to law enforcement is probably the most effective, next is a flare gun (very effective in disbursing crowds that the Taliban would send out to slow our convoys while passing through small towns in prep for an ambush, flares scared folks silly vs. harming them real bad with our .50 cal. MGs), then a legally owned handgun/shotgun. Dash-cams have their place and if they work when you need them and you remembered to turn it on that's great, but they also may serve as a memorial to your demise. In conclusion, take a defensive drivers course, a weapons safety course, first aid courses and give folks their "space" on the highway but always be ready to defend yourself...
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