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Old 06-04-2016, 10:11 PM   #57
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For curiosity, today I removed the microwave to look what is behind it. Removal was simple with 6 screws and sliding out the unit.

I m not sure who said the electricity is not made good, but for my opinion it's done well and in accordance with residential contractor codes, with proper wires gauges, recepricals, groundings, joint boxes and etcetera.

Plumbing is also made with proper construction materials, pipes, fittings, elbows, and foams.

Only what I would have been done at the manufacturing is to engineer and accommodate all those stuff in some channels or boxings, just to make it looks more "professional" but not like in a house's attic.

Generally I was satisfied with what I saw under the galley.
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I would never use solid core wire in a vehicle. It's just to susceptible to vibrations. If it develops a crack, there is no bypassing the cracked strand like in a multi strand wire. That added resistance is a potential fire source.

Does it mean that we're all driving time bombs? No, but there is a reason that marine construction standards differ from residential building codes. The entire industry does this so that isn't specific to Airstream or Thor.
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Sounds logical, but if the solid wires were already used in 110V electrical connectivity in our vans, it is not justified to replace them. I believe nothing will happen with 14 gauge wire due to vibrations ever, but if it would, there are 110V 15A breakers every wire is connected to. So we may drive our Interstates with a safe peice in mind with no concern in this regard.

Thus, In consideration of electrical and plumbing I did not notice anything wrong with Airstream.
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Only what I would have been done at the manufacturing is to engineer and accommodate all those stuff in some channels or boxings, just to make it looks more "professional" but not like in a house's attic.

Generally I was satisfied with what I saw under the galley.
Every time I pull something out or remove a panel, I find all sorts of detris left behind e.g., wire clippings, insulation strippings, sawdust, drilled hole debris, etc. Nothing the shop vac can't handle but just shouldn't be necessary.
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I would never use solid core wire in a vehicle. It's just to susceptible to vibrations. If it develops a crack, there is no bypassing the cracked strand like in a multi strand wire. That added resistance is a potential fire source.

Does it mean that we're all driving time bombs? No, but there is a reason that marine construction standards differ from residential building codes. The entire industry does this so that isn't specific to Airstream or Thor.

Actually, ABYC marine wiring standards are light years ahead of any RV standards used today.

When I took my ABYC Marine Electrician certification course, all of the marine guys ( and a specially the instructors) were absolutely horrified as I described the typical wiring and terminations used in most RVs.

They totally lost it when I showed them an RV 'speed wire ' 120 VAC outlet that uses brass grab forks to pierce the Romex as it is pressure fit between them. They simply could not believe it was allowed!!!!!! I can't either!!!!

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Thanks for pointing that out Lew. That speed wire 120 AC outlet is still in our AI. I was shocked when I first saw it. It will be gone when I rewire the van.
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Thanks for pointing that out Lew. That speed wire 120 AC outlet is still in our AI. I was shocked when I first saw it. It will be gone when I rewire the van.
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When you go all the way to Jackson Center and have an "experienced" tech tell you your fridge is only 110 volt AC but the ID tag on the fridge lists 12 volt DC & 110 volt AC. Something is wrong... VERY WRONG!
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I very love my bus and it is the most usable and the most convenient vehicle in the park of my cars.

I love my bus, because it is a Mercedes, and because nothing better but Airstream Interstate on the van-sized body you can buy for a hundred + some thousand dollars.

However, having enormous experience with hi-end vehicles and different benzes in the past, I was not able not to open this thread of unprofessional craftsmanship of the Airstream in producing a conversion of Sprinters. They made a great furniture and excellent engineering of the Interstate. However, they cut corners doing their assembling job very fast, they did not pay attention to any details, they simply used workers with two left hands in a production line of Sprinter conversions (forgive me, left-handers, that was not about you).

Insufficient glues, not pressed double-side tapes, leaking vents, non-tighten screws, and a lot of other small things which are pain in the bottom... Every day I fix the flaws in my bus, doing it more and more precise. Yes, it comes better every time my hands touch it.

But I can't believe that for these money Airstream is not able to hire a good technicians in assembly line, instead of those whose job place must be asking "paper or plastic" in a food supermarket.
When you go all the way to Jackson Center and have an "experienced" tech tell you your fridge is only 110 volt AC but the ID tag on the fridge lists 12 volt DC & 110 volt AC. Something is wrong... VERY WRONG!
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Actually, ABYC marine wiring standards are light years ahead of any RV standards used today.
But they are not mandatory in boating industry either. I can't tell you how many things I have improved to make ABYC or better compliant in boats. It is a voluntary standard but should be mandatory given the life and death impact in a boat as opposed to RV.
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