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Old 12-07-2013, 12:25 PM   #29
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Wish Airstream would copy that screen door!
Yes, but make it more sturdy. Have you seen those in person? Felt extremely flimsy to me.
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Old 12-07-2013, 12:33 PM   #30
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Yes, but make it more sturdy. Have you seen those in person? Felt extremely flimsy to me.
I agree: when I viewed a new Free Spirit SS in Phoenix earlier this year, the screen door was broken and the salesman was unable to open the Murphy bed.
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Before we bought our Interstate, we almost went with the LTV Free Spirit SS (the one with the slide out). Very very glad we didn't.

It was tempting, due to the nice wide space you have when you have the slide actually out...very spacious! Also, bathroom in back is huge.

Big big downsides were: 1) You have to have the slide out to use the bed. 2) The bed was narrow. 3) When the slide is in, there is no visibility from the drivers seat towards the back....the slide wall is virtually right up against the driver's seat, cutting the driver off from the rest of the unit 4) There is no way for 2 people to sit at a table and face each other to talk or eat, there's just the bed/couch that faces out to the side. 5) Lack of panoramic windows

I agree - looking at the floor plan it wouldn't work for us - but I do like the idea of a Sprinter-based unit with a slide and no doubt others will be appearing with different layouts

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Old 12-07-2013, 12:48 PM   #32
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- instead of keeping the trailer overnight at home after we have spent the day cleaning and packing it, leave home around suppertime, drive as far as we can , then stop wherever we can to grab some sleep - rest area? walmart?

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This one.

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FWIW....

we have never felt claustrophobic, even when sitting out a storm that kept us pretty much confined inside for several days....there are windows all 'round..

we admire those with additional space, but have never pined for it...slideouts can leak, get stuck in or out

the way we have bedding set up, it takes about 5 minutes evening and morning...I, at the rear, do the actual bedding, Doug removes pillows from shams and returns them in the morning...we do fine without a bed made up all the time

we have gotten very accustomed to eating on our laps


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If it were up to me, I'd probably leave the bed made up for the duration of the trip. But, husband doesn't want to leave it out, and he's the one that makes it up and breaks it down, so that's fine.

We have 3" memory foam pads that roll up and go in the back (EXT) when not in use. Those came with covers on them, so we don't use sheets. So husband just rolls them out, and then we throw on the comforter and the pillows. Pretty simple.

Comforter and pillows get stowed in the cavernous storage cabinet above in the back.
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Have to add this too...we have camped outside of friends' houses, parked on the street or in parking space, where it would have been impossible to open up a slide out (trees, etc. on easement...and RV's not allowed on the block). And we've said..."thank goodness we didn't get the Free Spirit SS."
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The new Interstates are 23-24' long, and other Class B's are probably about the same. Can you park a trailer in front of your garage if it doesn't block the sidewalk? Could you downsize to a 22-23' trailer?

It could be an option alright and would save me $1000 a year that I pay to park the AS in a storage yard.

Might upset the neighbors though and I wouldn't be able to get one of our two hobby vehicles out of the garage!

As well, we are technically not allowed keeping RV's in our drive over the winter, although I have been told by a bylaw officer that they don't enforce that unless someone complains - but someone might complain if I tick them off in some way

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Hi, I/we have been looking at these too, but they seem too cramped compared to my 25' Safari, which we love. I saw a new Interstate at the car show in LA and liked it. Newer floor plan, but I would still want a full time bed in the rear. I might be able to live with a wet bath, or not????? What this new floor plan had that I liked was that all of the seats in back were actually usable; Some models have a cabinet above one of the seats so it can only be used when made as a bed. Now take this model, remove those seats and put a bed there. This might work. I also have to think about the cost on the Interstate which is about four times what we paid for our Safari. [ A brand new trailer similar to ours costs about double now]
The prices of Class B's do seem disproportionately high - they say it due to the complexity of shoe horning everything in, I'm not sure.

For what one costs you can get a C or even an entry level A! But neither of those would work for me in terms of the overnight parking issue.

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It could be an option alright and would save me $1000 a year that I pay to park the AS in a storage yard.

Might upset the neighbors though and I wouldn't be able to get one of our two hobby vehicles out of the garage!

As well, we are technically not allowed keeping RV's in our drive over the winter, although I have been told by a bylaw officer that they don't enforce that unless someone complains - but someone might complain if I tick them off in some way

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All the more reason to consider the Interstate or similar Sprinter-based RVs. Except for the awning bolted to one side, from the outside it doesn't look like anything but a passenger van, albeit a big one. And one more reason to stay away from the Winnebago Era, with it's swirly Nike-knockoff graphics, even though it's Sprinter-based. No one seeing a Winnebago of any kind can mistake it for a non-RV.
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All the more reason to consider the Interstate or similar Sprinter-based RVs. Except for the awning bolted to one side, from the outside it doesn't look like anything but a passenger van, albeit a big one. And one more reason to stay away from the Winnebago Era, with it's swirly Nike-knockoff graphics, even though it's Sprinter-based. No one seeing a Winnebago of any kind can mistake it for a non-RV.
Agreed, I do dislike those swirly graphics so often seen on motorhomes,fifth wheels, and SOB's.

Before we bought our Classic 30 I had been trying without success to talk my wife into a B class. She wouldn't go for it, but now seems a little more receptive to the idea, I guess I must be wearing her down with my views on pros and cons!

At that time, I contacted a bylaw officer to be sure I knew the rules before planning to park a B class in our drive.

At first, I asked generally about RV parking in driveways and was told it is no problem in summer, but not permitted in winter months - there were specific dates. (He did say however it was not normally enforced unless they received a complaint.)

So then I asked him about B class units which really look little different that a van.

What he told me is that if they are forced to make a determination they go by the vehicle's registration documents - i.e. is it registered as a van or an RV.

If registered as a van it is excluded from the RV regulation.

At that time I was considering a new Roadtrek - the factory is quite close to us. I contacted them about registration and was told that their units are registered as vans in Ontario.

I am not sure if that sort of thing varies from state/province to state/province, nor if the same thing applies to other makes of Class B, but it is certainly something I would verify before ever buying one.


For me, one of the big pluses to going with a class B is the ability t keep it in our drive and maintain it / tinker with it / clean it - all things I enjoy doing. It is a bit tough to keep on top of all the chores I would like to do on our trailer with it being in a storage yard quite far from home so it tends to get neglected more than I like!

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What he told me is that if they are forced to make a determination they go by the vehicle's registration documents - i.e. is it registered as a van or an RV.

If registered as a van it is excluded from the RV regulation.
On my Interstate, the registration says "conversion van" and the license plate says "private bus." Neither one says "recreational vehicle."
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Our city ordinances require that RV's not be kept in driveways from November 1 to April 1, and so a backyard placement or small storage slot is required.

RV here is defined as having a bathroom.

Other than this period, the Interstate is in our driveway whenever we are home.


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Our city ordinances require that RV's not be kept in driveways from November 1 to April 1, and so a backyard placement or small storage slot is required.

RV here is defined as having a bathroom.

Other than this period, the Interstate is in our driveway whenever we are home.


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Hmm, I think that would kill the idea in my case if it turned out that the same regs applied here.

As mentioned, I would certainly verify the situation before taking the plunge!

If I were to no longer have the Classic 30 and lay out all that extra moolah for an Interstate, I would want to be able to keep it on our drive year round to take full advantage of it.

We do live on a fairly decent sized corner lot, and I suppose I could make an entrance and get into our back garden from the dead end road on the side of our house, but our back yard is not that large and there wouldn't be much left of it with an Interstate parked across the back.

For the moment I don't even know if they will pass the proposed law which will allow us only 2 days overnight parking exemption on the street in front of our home for our 30 footer instead of the 15 days / year now allowed. Should know in a couple of weeks. Any new regs are to come into effect next April.


Then too, I don't know what their definition of "Recreational vehicles" for this 2 day rule - it is the first time they have singled out RV's with special on street parking exemption permits. It is possible they re meaning only large class A motorhomes - sometimes that is what people incorrectly mean when they refer to an RV.

Our Airstream has exactly the same sort of trailer license as the little trailer I made myself to tow behind our motorcycle. I suppose large motorhomes might have a special RV license here - not sure.

In any event I appreciate all the comments I have received on the subject.

Heck, I might even think about switching to a class B even if I don't have to do so, because despite the cons, I can see many pros, especially as I get maybe less able to handle some of the physical aspects of RVing.

I also do believe we would tend to go away with it on short trips than we do with our trailer - I usually consider it way to much of a hassle top go away for less than 10 days or so at a time. With a B class in the drive and partly packed it would be a breeze to decide on the spur of the moment to take off for a coup;e of days at a Provincial Park. Many of which cannot even handle our 30' trailer.

We shall see! Not going to rush into anything. If the new regulations do come into play, then initially I will try a couple of work arounds and see how things go.

Meanwhile I'm learning a lot about Class B's. I do have many happy memories in our little VW Westphalia some 40 years ago!

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